Lockdown is losing the support of South Africans

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Brian_G said:
It didn't even do much of that. How could it in this wild country of ours... although low let's ignore infection figures for now (info is considered near useless), we just need to look at the very low mortality rate within this side of the world - no LD needed.

However many of us thought its original attempt was a good idea, so not all bad, IF it is ended now.
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I think there is a lesson to be learned from the extent of legal plunder, in the US throughout the 20th century and into the 21st.

As congressman, of 30+ years, Dr Ron Paul used to say often: they don't get everything they push for, but they usually get a bunch.

He was referring to lobbyists, with congressmen in their pocket.

Same with LD, here and elsewhere.... not all of it will stay, but unless you see unprecedented roll-back, a bunch of it will stay. That is how they get past civilian/voter resistance to the elimination of competition. They know very well how difficult it is to roll back legislation once it's passed, so they push for more than they think they'll likely get, and come away with more or less what they always aimed for.

Half a trillion Rand in IMF loans? This is not merely a SA issue. What happened to the other countries' leaders who accepted loans they were sold and couldn't pay back? They became puppets and ended up giving away sovereign control, or - if they chose not to play the game - they were eliminated one way or another. Panama, Equador, Indonesia, Iran, Saudi Arabia... the list goes on. Saudi arguably retains much more independence on account of the size of its reserves but for 50 years the world has been on the petro-dollar.

The emergency-of-the-day can be natural, man-made, or a hybrid of the two. It doesn't really matter. What matters is the overall trajectory towards the elimination of competition. That is the bigger play.... in the name of 'capitalism', 'free markets' and 'individualism', to boot.

If you fall for that mislabeling, then you'll call this consolidation of power 'capitalist', and you can be counted on to join the ranks of the protected-class, by becoming a kind of mini-lobbyist, and thereby give the whole anti-competitive movement more impetus.
 
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@lexity , people want solid proof before they can believe such things going on. When it comes to this virus we're far from that degree of evidence. Yes, I've also learnt it goes on personally, but it takes time to unravel sufficiently.

Not something to go into much here though IMO, this science-following forum often isn't flexible so it can actually do the reverse.
 
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At least these reactions show the grabbamint is on the back foot needing to "defend", the DA has had a good impact.
 
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Brian_G said:
@lexity , people want solid proof before they can believe such things going on. When it comes to this virus we're far from that degree of evidence. Yes, I've also learnt it goes on personally, but it takes time to unravel sufficiently.

Not something to go into much here though IMO, this science-following forum often isn't flexible so it can actually do the reverse.
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To be more specific, some people want to be told X, Y or Z, by/from their source of truth, which has already been decided. It's not really got much to do with whether or not the data or view you are presenting matches with what is going on in the real world, to them, but rather the fact it can't be true if it didn't emanate from their source or it conflicts with data which did emanate from their source.

This is often - not always - the level of critical thinking. They might see it as 'trust' in their source, but where it is based on fear, there can be no trust, just blind faith.

Expecting people to suddenly drop this habit and instead adopt the habit of taking responsibility for being well/poorly informed, may very well be naive. I do concede that. But there are always exceptions. Even if it rings true for a tiny sliver of a minority.... that's not a waste of time, I don't think. When I hear from others, who have obviously taken on this responsibility, I certainly don't feel it's a waste of their time. Exactly the opposite. Hope you're not worried about me wasting my time on this forum. I get a kick out of contributing, regardless of the odd bit of heckling, and there are some good replies, too, which helps to keep me on my toes and less likely to think I have all the answers.

Nobody likes having their stable world rocked by having 'reliable' data, which has served them in some capacity for years, suddenly yanked out from under them. That includes me. More often than not, it's a case of simple misdirection that's all. If one steps through one's assumptions, in one's own time, and sees that the conclusions accepted are not actually serving one as claimed, it won't be such a huge sacrifice to throw them out.
 
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Understood. My point is, if you flood with what can normally take half a lifetime to learn, it can end up labeling you a nutter here. Hardly an achievement then.
 
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It's in the best interest of the EFF to promote anarchy and poverty, as this extremism grows their base. So anything they say should once again be regarded as the exact opposite of the correct solution.
And the ANC will agree with them, because they are experts at always taking the low road.
Good times ahead!
 
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Bewlen said:
It's in the best interest of the EFF to promote anarchy and poverty, as this extremism grows their base. So anything they say should once again be regarded as the exact opposite of the correct solution.
And the ANC will agree with them, because they are experts at always taking the low road.
Good times ahead!
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Well its so bad that I am starting to think the head of the EFF is some hidden white racist. Someone that truly wanna watch the wold burn and see how many people suffer and die.
 
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lexity said:
To be more specific, some people want to be told X, Y or Z, by/from their source of truth, which has already been decided. It's not really got much to do with whether or not the data or view you are presenting matches with what is going on in the real world, to them, but rather the fact it can't be true if it didn't emanate from their source or it conflicts with data which did emanate from their source.
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100% agree.
Its a case of be reasonable and accept my version of the truth. (And if you dont, you are idiot, and instead of me accepting that you may have an opinion, I am going to remind you, you are in idiot - on social media - arm chair warrior style ... )
 
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Nice, the kind of African thinking that ensures countries like South Africa will never be a first world country.
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Look at you. All knowing and schit.

I suggest you use that intelligence that you think you have, and find out what first world and third world really means. Here's wisdom for you...just because a billion people can think 1 + 1 = 5, doesn't make it true.
 
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JustAsk said:
Look at you. All knowing and schit.

I suggest you use that intelligence that you think you have, and find out what first world and third world really means. Here's wisdom for you...just because a billion people can think 1 + 1 = 5, doesn't make it true.
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Que?
 
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