Lockdown is losing the support of South Africans

Gordon_R

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Strong political statement by DA leader John Steenhuisen. Not entirely convincing IMO:
President Cyril Ramaphosa should apologise to the nation and make good by reshuffling his Cabinet to remove those ministers who have most compromised his government’s covid response. (COGTA Minister Nkosazana Dlamini Zuma, for her disingenuous handling of the tobacco ban issue; Ebrahim Patel for his irrational, petty economic regulations that have cost so many livelihoods unnecessarily; Police Minister Bheki Cele for encouraging the senseless violence exerted on citizens; Defence Minister Mapisa-Nqakula for her terrible handling of Collins Khoza’s death; Social Development Minister Lindiwe Zulu for attempting to ban NGOs from distributing cooked food to the hungry.)
Had 40-45,000 deaths been the NICD’s initial estimates, it is doubtful the government would have implemented a lockdown. But initial estimates were allegedly 10 times this, though the government has never shared these details because the massive drop in the size of risk would logically require an equally massive drop in the size of response.

A mature government, acting in the country’s rather than the party’s best interest, would have admitted as much, taken their scientists’ advice, and called the whole thing off weeks ago. It would have been an embarrassing, but forgivable mistake.
Apologise and get out, as the saying goes.

But the ANC isn’t partial to admitting mistakes, and anyway, lockdown suits the unionists and communists in their ranks.
 

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justplain

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people surfing, walking their dogs on the beach, walking, running and cycling without masks.
Yip, the fear factor is fading fast, if not mostly faded already.
 

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people surfing, walking their dogs on the beach, walking, running and cycling without masks.
Yip, the fear factor is fading fast, if not mostly faded already.
they must sit and wait for who then?
 

XTM

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sitting locked up in their homes is more damaging than any virus. economy, businesses are fk already so
 

Moto Guzzi

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Where are this worldwide immense concern for the people suddenly came from, its unheard of, in any case today I was the only one with a mask not walking my dogs.
 

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The ANC handling of this crises will cost our economy for years to come. We are not a country that can stop this, it was going to get into the majority of the population regardless, hence the only purpose of a lockdown in terms of saving lives should have been to prepare hospital beds. The government has done very poorly in that regard. 3 months in and they have utterly failed to really properly prepare for what is coming.

As an example Afrox provides oxygen to the medical industry. The government aproached Afrox months ago saying prepare yourself to install oxygen at places like schools, etc, we will send the order shortly. Afrox tried to prepare but the government never actually gave the go ahead. Nothing has been done to actually get oxygen installed at any of the temporary venues like Nasrec. They have wasted money on so much other stuff and failed completely to do what they should have done during the lockdown. So the only thing the lockdown has done is destroy or damage large portions of the economy. Its idiotic and a complete failure. This week the cops where raiding golf courses all over JHB arresting people for illegally playing golf, a healthy activity that is narurally socially distanced, and infinitely more safe than riding a taxi or doing any other number of legal activities, yet these stupid laws exist. SA prides itself on its golf and those courses bring in money, create employment, etc. How many will go under, and for what.

Viva ANC, you stupid morons.
 

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I would love to see the breakdown of how the R500 billion was spent.

Probably something like:

10 x 3 ply masks @ R4999 per mask
10 x face shields @ R9950 per shield
1 x ventilator @ R2 million
etc.

Proudly supplied by Zumacelepoza inc.
 
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...

A mature government, acting in the country’s rather than the party’s best interest, would have admitted as much, taken their scientists’ advice, and called the whole thing off weeks ago. It would have been an embarrassing, but forgivable mistake.

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The irony of it.

There was a time I, too, considered the state's criminal aspect a factor of which party was in power.

Ignorance is bliss.

When staring at someone who's job it is to legally undermine free competition, by threatening and implementing violence, towards anyone who stands in the way by insisting on a legal system predicated solely on voluntary interaction, one has a choice:

a) abolish the job, or

b) find a replacement worker.

'mature government' is an oxymoron. (if we were talking 'self-government' it wouldn't be, but that's not the case)
 

Gordon_R

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Lack of a proper testing protocols (scale-up and contact tracing) doomed the lockdown strategy in SA:
"That was the biggest problem with the lockdown," said Wits professor of vaccinology Shabir Madhi. "We didn't have a testing strategy in place that should have been in place before we embarked on the lockdown and that's the reason why [we] were always going to fail in terms of the containment of the spread of the virus."
Alex van den Heever, the chair in the field of Social Security Systems Administration and Management Studies at the University of the Witwatersrand, agreed testing remained the government's biggest failure.

"The [testing] scale-up strategy was ham-fisted. They relied purely on the existing arrangements for TB and HIV and relied on one organisation, the National Health Laboratory Service.
 

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Heard on the radio a few minutes ago that 59 teachers tested positive...but these results were delayed so these teachers were in classrooms with children.

Was in a shop when hearing this, but didn't catch all the details.
 

Gordon_R

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Heard on the radio a few minutes ago that 59 teachers tested positive...but these results were delayed so these teachers were in classrooms with children.

Was in a shop when hearing this, but didn't catch all the details.
News reported yesterday. IMO its only surprising because teachers were never tested until now:

P.S. This is an important topic, but has nothing to do with the lockdown thread.
 

MightyQuin

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Spent a nice day and slept over at the house of friends last weekend with the SO and kids.

Other friends and their kids coming here tomorrow for a day with dinner and booze and then also sleeping over.

So the lock down has obviously lost my support quite a while ago...
 

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Statistics. 2 people dead out of 100 thousand in SA. Due to the flu. How many starving and enemployed now?
Well our uneployment rate is probably at around 10m now... so given a population of 60m. We're looking at 16667 per 100000 unemployed, but I would hazard a guess the starving number is a bit higher than that due to the fact that on average 1 person in this country supports 4 - 6 people with meagre earnings.
 

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Well our uneployment rate is probably at around 10m now... so given a population of 60m. We're looking at 16667 per 100000 unemployed, but I would hazard a guess the starving number is a bit higher than that due to the fact that on average 1 person in this country supports 4 - 6 people with meagre earnings.
Which means I probably support 10 or 15
 
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