Madiba backs ANC at rally

[Slyce]

Lol! You guys just crack me up!!!
For me, I don't really take much interest in politics or the past. I was of the opinion that what's done is done and it does not affect me in my little world. But how wrong I was... After going to the museum I now understand why some people in this country are the way they are. Albereth eluded to some of it earlier but he was right. Bantu education was a cruel cruel policy that we are still seeing the effects of now. I remember seeing one photo at the museum that really struck me. It was of this small black kid, not more than 7 years old in a packed classroom. It was obviously hot because he was sweating and he was sitting on the floor trying to balance his book on one hand to avoid getting it dirty and write at the same time.

I left there a changed person. I was ignorant and a lot of us choose to be so. This country has so much to offer all of us but we keep slagging one another off and looking for reasons to hate each other.

Do yourselves a favour, go visit that place... You will come out a better South African.

 

[Alan]

Alan i thought he was different because i am sure there are a few people who put in his position would have murdered every single white in South Africa. He came out and wanted peace while others would have wanted blood.

So yes i thought he was different.

No he said he wanted peace. Zuma says he wants peace too. You believe him as well?

Can you not grasp he wouldn't have come to power had he wanted bloodshed. Just because somebody says it doesn't actually mean that's their aim. It's not rocket science......

Did he deliver peace? No unless you consider 100 000s of dead innocent South Africans as peace

 

[sox63]

No he said he wanted peace. Zuma says he wants peace too. You believe him as well?

Can you not grasp he he wouldn't have come to power had he wanted bloodshed. Just because somebody says it doesn't actually mean that's their aim. It's not rocket science......

Did he he deliver peace? No unless you consider 100 000s of dead innocent South Africans as peace

Ooh Alan is getting worked up, his spelling has gone out the window.

 

[Alan]

Hunting typos is a sign of desperation

 

[sox63]

Hunting typos is a sign of desperation

Not at all. I'm not involved in this little back and forth you guys have going on here. Just enjoying the posts.

 

[boramk]

As Alberth Said, its Maddiba's opinion..

But yeah, how to destroy your legacy 101

 

[Alan]

Not at all. I'm not involved in this little back and forth you guys have going on here. Just enjoying the posts.

Speaking of back and forth I recall getting firmly reassured by forumites that madiba's silence over the last few years was not condoning the ANC's actions but that he was in fact "retired from politics".

Seems they were wrong.....

 

[BBSA]

Lol! You guys just crack me up!!!
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Maybe you should start a separate thread.

 

[Fuma]

Ooh Alan is getting worked up, his spelling has gone out the window.

Maybe he was stuttering.

 

[Abe]

But how wrong I was... After going to the museum I now understand why some people in this country are the way they are. Albereth eluded to some of it earlier but he was right. Bantu education was a cruel cruel policy that we are still seeing the effects of now.

No amount of visits to a museum is going to make any difference. I know full well what went on in the past as do most people. We get reminded every day by one of the ANC politicians about the past just in case we forget. Their goal is to keep people thinking about race and the past. People need to look forward instead of backwards. In order for this country to progress, people have to stop thinking about race first. That won't happen while the ANC is in power.

The ANC have now been in power for 15 years. A lot of the youth who are angry about how people were treated were not even big enough to remember the days before the ANC took over. White people are getting angrier every day because of crime and the incompetence and corruption of the people running the show. Eskom and water spring immediately to mind. I fear that things will get a lot worse before the get better, but it won't happen while the ANC keep preaching division. It gives them an excuse when they do something wrong. Blame racism and you can get away with murder here.

 

[DJ...]

Yo slyce - welcome btw.

Just a quick heads up - if you're looking for a "balanced view", the apartheid museum is not where you're going to find it.

I don't understand why anyone is surprised by this - Madiba was always going to support the ANC and only the ANC, regardless of who is in power...

 

[Alan]

Yo slyce - welcome btw.

Just a quick heads up - if you're looking for a "balanced view", the apartheid museum is not where you're going to find it.

I don't understand why anyone is surprised by this - Madiba was always going to support the ANC and only the ANC, regardless of who is in power...

and regardless of what they do......

 

[DJ...]

and regardless of what they do......

99% agree with you on this one. Not sure Madiba would be vocally supporting the ANC had they initiated genocide in SA (as an example). He probably wouldn't have jumped ship to another party, just not vocally supported the ANC as he is now. I agree with you on the basis that Madiba isn't a saint, however no politician is - it's always about picking the best of a bad bunch - and in 1994, he was that guy...

 

[rph72]

Yes, the ANC was bankrupt after Mandela left. Now it's worth over R1 billion rand thanks to Mbeki.

So this is where all the heist money went to /runs

 

[Alan]

99% agree with you on this one. Not sure Madiba would be vocally supporting the ANC had they initiated genocide in SA (as an example). He probably wouldn't have jumped ship to another party, just not vocally supported the ANC as he is now. I agree with you on the basis that Madiba isn't a saint, however no politician is - it's always about picking the best of a bad bunch - and in 1994, he was that guy...

His lack of action regarding the deaths of now over 200 000 innocent South Africans indicates to me he doesn't have much of a problem with genocide. An overwhelming majority of which I might add are 'formerly disadvantaged' people


Well then it's no surprise S.A is in the mess it is. Sad state of affairs if this is the best S.A could get

 

[Albereth]

His lack of action regarding the deaths of now over 200 000 innocent South Africans indicates to me he doesn't have much of a problem with genocide. An overwhelming majority of which I might add are 'formerly disadvantaged' people

Not sure which genocide you are on about with your numbers because it could be the number of people murdered while the ANC has been in power. Or it could be the number of poor people that the ANC has allowed to die with its AIDS denialist policy. Of course there is no time frame given so I suggest that if we looked at the past 15 years this number is way understated.

And here is the thing. Mandela retired and he should have stayed retired. That way he could have avoided the pooh splattering. But he has come out and can now takes his lumps too. By blindly trotting out the party loyalty line he is agreeing that a corrupt government is a good thing.

But, of course, we already know that he doesn't think things through. Trouble is, the masses don't either.

 

[Alan]

Not sure which genocide you are on about with your numbers because it could be the number of people murdered while the ANC has been in power. Or it could be the number of poor people that the ANC has allowed to die with its AIDS denialist policy. Of course there is no time frame given so I suggest that if we looked at the past 15 years this number is way understated.

And here is the thing. Mandela retired and he should have stayed retired. That way he could have avoided the pooh splattering. But he has come out and can now takes his lumps too. By blindly trotting out the party loyalty line he is agreeing that a corrupt government is a good thing.

But, of course, we already know that he doesn't think things through. Trouble is, the masses don't either.

The number is purely criminal murders while the ANC has been in power. The number is actually way more. The average is about 20 000 per year reported (In reality it's probably around 25 000 to 30 000.) That works out to around 300 000. Now if you add other violent crimes and aids denialism you're heading well into the millions. Now that is an astonishing figure. But nobody seems to be that alarmed by it because if they did they wouldn't have this admiration for the guy responsible for 5 years of it and continues to support the same policies responsible for it. It's ridiculous but it shows the power of propaganda. All they've ever experienced when picking up a newspaper or turning on a television is "analysis"( etv's quotes analysts as saying Madiba's support of Zuma is in the interests of "democracy and political tolerance" ROFL) telling them how great the guy is. The facts don't fit with what the media propagates.

This whole scenario has brought a problem for the media. For decades they've made Madiba to be this saintlike statesman while in the last few years demonizing Zuma. But now this demigod is backing the vile demagogue. How will they explain/justify it? We've seen Etvs first pathetic attempt. Only the most gullible lemming would fall for that (I hope). They can't do what they did with Mugabe which was to sweep under the carpet and "forget" they all worshiped him in the first place.

 

[grayston]

Yo slyce - welcome btw.

Just a quick heads up - if you're looking for a "balanced view", the apartheid museum is not where you're going to find it.

Well, you're not going to find it standing around a braai either...

Perhaps it might help to combine the two, to really balance each other out.

Anyone up for some pap and wors at the Apartheid museum this weekend?

 

[shadowfox]

I'm game - as long as I can bring a couple of lamb chops

 

[Albereth]

This whole scenario has brought a problem for the media. For decades they've made Madiba to be this saintlike statesman while in the last few years demonizing Zuma. But now this demigod is backing the vile demagogue. How will they explain/justify it? We've seen Etvs first pathetic attempt. Only the most gullible lemming would fall for that (I hope). They can't do what they did with Mugabe which was to sweep under the carpet and "forget" they all worshiped him in the first place.

I'd say his true colours are coming out but then someone would accuse me of being racist, so I won't.