Sign up with GoogleAn opensource community implementing www.locustworld.com meshboxes on premises can establish a WISP company with Pres Jacob Zuma as the director. This is a great BEE initiative. For each installation say Umvubu wireless solutions does, Pres Zuma receives R500 as the CEO and chief shareholder. If 1000 installations are done per month Pres Zuma will receive R500 000 per month.
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Make Pres Zuma CEO of Umvubu wireless wisp
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<br />An opensource community implementing www.locustworld.com meshboxes on premises can establish a WISP company with Pres Jacob Zuma as the director. This is a great BEE initiative. For each installation say Umvubu wireless solutions does, Pres Zuma receives R500 as the CEO and chief shareholder. If 1000 installations are done per month Pres Zuma will receive R500 000 per month.
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First off, Jacob Zuma is not the President. That job belongs to President Thabo Mbeki. Secondly, this is probably <b>the</b> most rediculous of your posts I have seen to date. Wait, no, the most rediculous one was the one where you first advertised your web site, then made all kinds of comments about how "they" tanked when your site dissapeared.
Sir, I offer this in the best of spirits, what the hell is wrong with you?
Willie Viljoen
Web Developer
Adaptive Web Development
<br />An opensource community implementing www.locustworld.com meshboxes on premises can establish a WISP company with Pres Jacob Zuma as the director. This is a great BEE initiative. For each installation say Umvubu wireless solutions does, Pres Zuma receives R500 as the CEO and chief shareholder. If 1000 installations are done per month Pres Zuma will receive R500 000 per month.
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First off, Jacob Zuma is not the President. That job belongs to President Thabo Mbeki. Secondly, this is probably <b>the</b> most rediculous of your posts I have seen to date. Wait, no, the most rediculous one was the one where you first advertised your web site, then made all kinds of comments about how "they" tanked when your site dissapeared.
Sir, I offer this in the best of spirits, what the hell is wrong with you?
Willie Viljoen
Web Developer
Adaptive Web Development
Podo, podo you are confused sir. I have no association with
www.sawireless.co.za Go look on their website, they are commercial
providers and would obviously not want an opensource community to do their own thing. Their site was down for two days, I did a registry lookup and the registry listed the page for sale. If .co.za registry maintaners are on drugs let me know.
For legal reasons I can't make my post clearer than it already is if you are incapable of reading the writeup at http://sawireless.tripod.com then I can't help you.
The site has been edited with new info so have a look.
People are terrified of Andries knocking at their door, the opensource mesh thing is going nowhere. Everybody is buggering on with the Sentech crap and are seemingly incapable of organising a R4000 a month ISDN line between just 20 people.
Actually I am glad they got burned with Sentech!
My problem with the commercial providers are that they are closed and it does not allow for the natural evolution of a mesh from Jhb to Cape Town. You are locked into a provider and are paying much more for bandwidth.
What I can't understand from the people who are so terrified of Andries: Why do you refuse to start an opensource mesh but are happy to subscribe to a commercial wisp? According to the law you are just as guilty. Please would this forum help me out, I am a bit lost on
this point.
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In my discussion with www.wavestream.co.za ,I wanted to know how is it possible that Andries could seal a www.duxbury.co.za highsite but not theirs? Very simple the person said: ANC government contacts and contracts. Andries wont dare go against the ANC....
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Podo I agree my post is a bit outrageous...
If Deputy Pres (happy now?) Zuma can't be the CEO then
perhaps Winnie Mandela...
www.sawireless.co.za Go look on their website, they are commercial
providers and would obviously not want an opensource community to do their own thing. Their site was down for two days, I did a registry lookup and the registry listed the page for sale. If .co.za registry maintaners are on drugs let me know.
For legal reasons I can't make my post clearer than it already is if you are incapable of reading the writeup at http://sawireless.tripod.com then I can't help you.
The site has been edited with new info so have a look.
People are terrified of Andries knocking at their door, the opensource mesh thing is going nowhere. Everybody is buggering on with the Sentech crap and are seemingly incapable of organising a R4000 a month ISDN line between just 20 people.
Actually I am glad they got burned with Sentech!
My problem with the commercial providers are that they are closed and it does not allow for the natural evolution of a mesh from Jhb to Cape Town. You are locked into a provider and are paying much more for bandwidth.
What I can't understand from the people who are so terrified of Andries: Why do you refuse to start an opensource mesh but are happy to subscribe to a commercial wisp? According to the law you are just as guilty. Please would this forum help me out, I am a bit lost on
this point.
<b>
In my discussion with www.wavestream.co.za ,I wanted to know how is it possible that Andries could seal a www.duxbury.co.za highsite but not theirs? Very simple the person said: ANC government contacts and contracts. Andries wont dare go against the ANC....
</b>
Podo I agree my post is a bit outrageous...
If Deputy Pres (happy now?) Zuma can't be the CEO then
perhaps Winnie Mandela...
John u have a noble ideals bout getting the wifi community meshes working but you do sound like a religious zealot at times. even when you look at ure site there is a lot of info but its presented over and over till there is this blank look on anyones face when they look at ure site.
The hobbo on the hill and the zuma/whiny ideas are just plain an simple stupid. there is no way and its just to damn funny to think that they would.
u fail to understand why meshes arent picking up? well consider were south africans an so far in my 22 years on this world i have come to understand that most south africans dont do anything unless there is no effort involved on their part and its not expensive
Proud South african rip offs.
The hobbo on the hill and the zuma/whiny ideas are just plain an simple stupid. there is no way and its just to damn funny to think that they would.
u fail to understand why meshes arent picking up? well consider were south africans an so far in my 22 years on this world i have come to understand that most south africans dont do anything unless there is no effort involved on their part and its not expensive
Proud South african rip offs.
Armitage www.wavestream.co.za charges R4500 for an installation.
A www.locustworld.com meshbox is around R2500 for a local node
to connect to the next node.
The Wisps get their R4000 64k diginet line where everybody else gets
theirs : Telkom. They then resell this line for R20 000.
Just do the math why would anybody pay double for a meshnode
that does not even remain his property and pay R400 a month more
for bandwidth? AND you have to sign a contract! With the community
mesh it is pay as you go, no contracts no nothing. After 5 years you
have paid R24 000 more than you should have.
If in 10 years that is R48 000 and after 20 years you have lost
R96 000.
Why does nobody get this??
A www.locustworld.com meshbox is around R2500 for a local node
to connect to the next node.
The Wisps get their R4000 64k diginet line where everybody else gets
theirs : Telkom. They then resell this line for R20 000.
Just do the math why would anybody pay double for a meshnode
that does not even remain his property and pay R400 a month more
for bandwidth? AND you have to sign a contract! With the community
mesh it is pay as you go, no contracts no nothing. After 5 years you
have paid R24 000 more than you should have.
If in 10 years that is R48 000 and after 20 years you have lost
R96 000.
Why does nobody get this??
It's not a question of 'nobody getting this' - it's more a question of people being hesitant to involve themselves in something seen to be obviously insurrectionist and, whilst noble in motive, certainly not destined to meet with official approval, for the simple reason that it conflicts with policy direction and current attempts to resolve our telcomms concerns in a holistic manner, only a part of which concerns a wider, national connectivity footprint. If there are those on this forum who agree with you, I'm certainly not one of them, for the reasons stated. Disparaging or sarcastic remarks concerning public figures does no good to your case, by the way, nor does repeated postings on the same thing.
As a measure of progress on this issue, I don't recall any past postings where you confirm having presented this as a formal submission to the authorities for rollout as a potential solution for unserviced areas, nor of having proposed this to regional/local licensees to assist in our connectivity hassles - have you in fact done this? If not, do you really expect members of this forum to support you in your endeavours? Some unemotional and relevant feedback would be of interest...
As a measure of progress on this issue, I don't recall any past postings where you confirm having presented this as a formal submission to the authorities for rollout as a potential solution for unserviced areas, nor of having proposed this to regional/local licensees to assist in our connectivity hassles - have you in fact done this? If not, do you really expect members of this forum to support you in your endeavours? Some unemotional and relevant feedback would be of interest...
MBS thank your for polite reply.
Just one more question for this forum before I leave:
How will you protect your family once the government succeeds in
confiscating all handguns? The present gun law is just the beginning.
Isn't wi-fi camera monitoring of steets the obvious solution?
But nobody will pay for this unless they get internet with it.
10 years from now we could all be openseason for the criminals.
MBS do you have an alternative solution?
Just one more question for this forum before I leave:
How will you protect your family once the government succeeds in
confiscating all handguns? The present gun law is just the beginning.
Isn't wi-fi camera monitoring of steets the obvious solution?
But nobody will pay for this unless they get internet with it.
10 years from now we could all be openseason for the criminals.
MBS do you have an alternative solution?
]JOHN:
I am no expert on crime - it's better addressed by the criminologists.
I am no expert on policing - it's better addressed by the police services.
I am no expert on security - it's better addressed by the securocrats.
I make no pretensions concerning any area on where my knowledge is limited - BUT:
if I could possibly make a positive contribution towards the fulfilment of the objectives of those who are concerned with these issues, far better that I initially appoach them with a view to establishing areas of common interest, followed by joint action and resultant mutual benefit. Should this result in failure for reasons seemingly unrelated to the desired objectives, ONLY THEN is further action warranted. The current Telkrap/Sintech scenario provides ample supportive evidence for the relevancy of this approach.
Suggestion: start a new topic which clearly outlines your objectives, and ask for responses to gauge the level of support. Leave out the technicalities - merely provide indications of gross costings incurrable to achieve the desired objectives. Make proposals designed to achieve common objectives, and formulate (with the support of forum members) a non-threatening approach to the powers-that-be, so that an initial cooperative emphasis comes through clearly. Make sure no hidden agendas could either be perceived or speculated on (e.g. increased market share, profit boosts, etc.). Emphasis should be on service delivery rollout, in line with current Government imperatives. Once you have sufficient support and a clear direction with achievable results, take the necessary further action.
A further suggestion: you should endeavour to get buy-in from a local government authority (traffic, emergency services, the city manager, etc.), the local police services, local community wireless supporters, and so on. If ultimately realised, this could be a reference site for further provincial and national rollout, if not external to our borders - think of rollout to Africa vis-a-vis NEPAD...
I am no expert on crime - it's better addressed by the criminologists.
I am no expert on policing - it's better addressed by the police services.
I am no expert on security - it's better addressed by the securocrats.
I make no pretensions concerning any area on where my knowledge is limited - BUT:
if I could possibly make a positive contribution towards the fulfilment of the objectives of those who are concerned with these issues, far better that I initially appoach them with a view to establishing areas of common interest, followed by joint action and resultant mutual benefit. Should this result in failure for reasons seemingly unrelated to the desired objectives, ONLY THEN is further action warranted. The current Telkrap/Sintech scenario provides ample supportive evidence for the relevancy of this approach.
Suggestion: start a new topic which clearly outlines your objectives, and ask for responses to gauge the level of support. Leave out the technicalities - merely provide indications of gross costings incurrable to achieve the desired objectives. Make proposals designed to achieve common objectives, and formulate (with the support of forum members) a non-threatening approach to the powers-that-be, so that an initial cooperative emphasis comes through clearly. Make sure no hidden agendas could either be perceived or speculated on (e.g. increased market share, profit boosts, etc.). Emphasis should be on service delivery rollout, in line with current Government imperatives. Once you have sufficient support and a clear direction with achievable results, take the necessary further action.
A further suggestion: you should endeavour to get buy-in from a local government authority (traffic, emergency services, the city manager, etc.), the local police services, local community wireless supporters, and so on. If ultimately realised, this could be a reference site for further provincial and national rollout, if not external to our borders - think of rollout to Africa vis-a-vis NEPAD...
JOHN:
Eish, your somewhat immature response to my posting provides supportive evidence of what PODO has been saying all along - you're essentially a lost cause. It's apparent that, despite your obvious good intentions, you won't garner much support, precisely due to your style. Far better that you re-read my previous posting and endeavour to act accordingly - imbecilic and inane responses will get you nowhere, this being my last remark and concluding posting on this topic.
Eish, your somewhat immature response to my posting provides supportive evidence of what PODO has been saying all along - you're essentially a lost cause. It's apparent that, despite your obvious good intentions, you won't garner much support, precisely due to your style. Far better that you re-read my previous posting and endeavour to act accordingly - imbecilic and inane responses will get you nowhere, this being my last remark and concluding posting on this topic.