Making sense of the economic value of crypt I currencies - I think I get it now

PPLdude

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Most of the coins are memecoins that consist of people dumping coins, resulting in the coin either going up, getting people to buy into it, then dumping their coins making a profit, while causing the coin to crash.
 

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Most of the coins are memecoins that consist of people dumping coins, resulting in the coin either going up, getting people to buy into it, then dumping their coins making a profit, while causing the coin to crash.

Yea that happens a lot! Hence why I do not focus on new coins at all.
 

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I am late to the cryptocurrency bandwagon as I just couldn't get my head around the economic value of cryptocurrencies.
How can a hashed string of text hold value?

I think your article drifted a bit, if its regarding the economic value then there really isnt any.
They are in the same league as pokemon cards and other collectibles.
Its not based on anything other than its a finite resource (like 1970's stamps) and there some demand for it.
If demand evaporates, they are worth nothing...so far the opposite has happened with a surge in demand,
which people interpret as value (in the same way tulips and swans were perceived as value in the 1600s *).
* However with a slight difference that bitcoins can never have an influx as its always finite, versus tulips or swans
But then again, so are 1970s cars, 1920 stamps, art collections...

Until grocery shops allow them and it becomes common occurrence then its an agreed currency,
until then it falls into the "stamp collection or pokemon cards" asset class.

Just my 2c


//grabs the popcorn bowl and runs away from the trolls.
 
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vic777

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I think your article drifted a bit, if its regarding the economic value then there really isnt any.
They are in the same league as pokemon cards and other collectibles.
Its not based on anything other than its a finite resource (like 1970's stamps) and there some demand for it.
If demand evaporates, they are worth nothing...so far the opposite has happened with a surge in demand,
which people interpret as value (in the same way tulips and swans were perceived as value in the 1600s *).
* However with a slight difference that bitcoins can never have an influx as its always finite, versus tulips or swans
But then again, so are 1970s cars, 1920 stamps, art collections...

Until grocery shops allow them and it becomes common occurrence then its an agreed currency,
until then it falls into the "stamp collection or pokemon cards" asset class.

Just my 2c


//grabs the popcorn bowl and runs away from the trolls.

Good post. Its just like fiat currency. It only has value because some central bank in some country states it does, not backed by a gold standard anymore. This is the same, just no central bank or country behind it. Its worth something because there are supposedly only so many coins to mine, and it becomes hard to mine as time goes by.
 

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I think your article drifted a bit, if its regarding the economic value then there really isnt any.
They are in the same league as pokemon cards and other collectibles.
Its not based on anything other than its a finite resource (like 1970's stamps) and there some demand for it.
If demand evaporates, they are worth nothing...so far the opposite has happened with a surge in demand,
which people interpret as value (in the same way tulips and swans were perceived as value in the 1600s *).
* However with a slight difference that bitcoins can never have an influx as its always finite, versus tulips or swans
But then again, so are 1970s cars, 1920 stamps, art collections...

Until grocery shops allow them and it becomes common occurrence then its an agreed currency,
until then it falls into the "stamp collection or pokemon cards" asset class.

Just my 2c


//grabs the popcorn bowl and runs away from the trolls.

Well U.S. dollars are backed by the “full faith and credit” of the U.S. Government. How long will that faith last?
 

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Good post. Its just like fiat currency. It only has value because some central bank in some country states it does, not backed by a gold standard anymore. This is the same, just no central bank or country behind it. Its worth something because there are supposedly only so many coins to mine, and it becomes hard to mine as time goes by.

I agree with the gold standard gone "money" has lost a lot of "value"
but as you pointed out that the fiat currencies are still backed by governments.
Which means in turn that you have millions of people that say they accept this currency.

We could make a currency out of anything, the difference is that which one is backed by the general population.
Bitcoin is not backed by the general population, only a few speculators.
Even gold and diamond has more value than that because "if the world went into total anarchy" then gold and
precious metals could still be used to create technology, but bitcoin creates ...nothing

I am not standing up for all the central banks actions over the past few decades, as they have made
several horrific mistakes, but unfortunately I still believe its a necessary evil.
The difference can be seen with last weeks hack on ETH, after the money is stolen who helps you recover it?

Fiat currency comes with investigators, police and a legal system...whereas Bitcoins comes with nothing.

Buying BITCOIN at this point in time is speculative, because one is betting on the fact that
EVEN if governments fail that you predict that they wont try and solve it, rather than moving
over to a currency that only 0.001% of population holds....That is quite a bet in my opinion.

Barring discussions of what it COULD be, at this point in time, it only falls
in the same category as highly speculative collectibles, like pokemon cards.
Because you literally cant do anything with it, its just a bunch of bytes on the computer system.

Its positioned to take over other currencies, but that doesnt mean it will...
 
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I agree with the gold standard gone "money" has lost a lot of "value"
but as you pointed out that the fiat currencies are still backed by governments.
Which means in turn that you have millions of people that say they accept this currency.

We could make a currency out of anything, the difference is that which one is backed by the general population.
Bitcoin is not backed by the general population, only a few speculators.
Even gold and diamond has more value than that because "if the world went into total anarchy" then gold and
precious metals could still be used to create technology, but bitcoin creates ...nothing

I am not standing up for all the central banks actions over the past few decades, as they have made
several horrific mistakes, but unfortunately I still believe its a necessary evil.
The difference can be seen with last weeks hack on ETH, after the money is stolen who helps you recover it?
Fiat currency comes with investigators, police and a legal system...whereas Bitcoins comes with nothing.

Buying BITCOIN at this point in time is speculative, because one is betting on the fact that
EVEN if governments fail that you predict that they wont try and solve it, rather than moving
over to a currency that only 1% of population holds....That is quite a bet in my opinion.

Agreed, wide acceptance is the issue. But I suspect that the moment it becomes widely accepted, it will be regulated by all the central governments, then it becomes just like any other fiat currency.

AFAIK diamonds are not that scarce, and big companies like De Beers stockpile supply to keep prices high, might just be some conspiracy theory - but gold is scarce.

I totally agree with you regarding the hack risk.
 

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Well U.S. dollars are backed by the “full faith and credit” of the U.S. Government. How long will that faith last?

Lets say you are 100% and the US crashes, and people lose faith...
What do you see as the outcome, all those billionaires like Bill Gates, Buffet, etc are just going to sit back
and say...ah well the US has gone through several great depressions, a recession every decade,
several civil wars and at least 2 great wars...its been fun guys, lets all go?

All countries have depressing eras, Singapore, Germany, Croatia, Bosnia, Botswana
All these countries have gone through extreme troubles in the past.


For most there's really just no other options
unless your telling me that at least 50 million people earning $10 per hour minimum wage in the US
are suddenly going to start buying BITCOIN @ $3000 a bitcoin, when they dont have savings and only debt?


Maybe the question should be
"What happens when people lose faith in ...[crypto]"?

Like when their funds get stolen and nobody, not even the police care?
 
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Agreed, wide acceptance is the issue. But I suspect that the moment it becomes widely accepted, it will be regulated by all the central governments, then it becomes just like any other fiat currency.

:crylaugh::crylaugh:

Lol, thats funny cause its true
 

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Lets see how he feels when BTC hits 4000$ lawl

it can reach any value and continue, it just further weakens the argument of it as a currency

and if you consider bitcoin an investment, well that's just a laugh now isn't it
 

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it can reach any value and continue, it just further weakens the argument of it as a currency

and if you consider bitcoin an investment, well that's just a laugh now isn't it
But you consider gold an investment right?
 

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Lets see how he feels when BTC hits 4000$ lawl
Do you generally feel sad or depressed when you didn't buy a lotto ticket and someone else wins the jackpot?

Speculation is the same as gambling btw, investing is something else entirely.
 

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it can reach any value and continue, it just further weakens the argument of it as a currency

and if you consider bitcoin an investment, well that's just a laugh now isn't it

I say make as much money as you can from Bitcoin (if the market has not crashed already), and then cash out.
 
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