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Malaysian Airlines Flight MH17 shot down in Ukraine!
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RUSSIA OFFERS 'COMPREHENSIVE HELP' TO MALAYSIA JET CRASH PROBE
Russia said Tuesday it was ready to offer full cooperation with an international investigation into the downing of the Malaysian passenger jet after backing the UN Security Council resolution on the probe.
"Russia is ready to give such an investigation comprehensive help including providing the necessary specialists," the Russian foreign ministry said in a statement.
The UN Security Council on Monday unanimously condemned the downing of the airliner and demanded full access to the site and for all countries to cooperate with the probe.
The Russian ministry praised the resolution for "stressing the necessity of a genuinely independent and unprejudiced international investigation" as well as for calling for a ceasefire around the crash scene and guaranteeing access to investigators from the OSCE and other international organisations.
Russia said that it backed the International Civil Aviation Organisation playing an "active role" after insisting on changes to wording of the resolution to clarify that Ukraine would not take the lead role in the probe.
The probe must not show "prejudice in defining the possible culprits in the disaster or anticipation of any results of the investigation," Russia emphasised.
Source : Sapa-AFP /kd
Date : 22 Jul 2014 09:50
Russia said Tuesday it was ready to offer full cooperation with an international investigation into the downing of the Malaysian passenger jet after backing the UN Security Council resolution on the probe.
"Russia is ready to give such an investigation comprehensive help including providing the necessary specialists," the Russian foreign ministry said in a statement.
The UN Security Council on Monday unanimously condemned the downing of the airliner and demanded full access to the site and for all countries to cooperate with the probe.
The Russian ministry praised the resolution for "stressing the necessity of a genuinely independent and unprejudiced international investigation" as well as for calling for a ceasefire around the crash scene and guaranteeing access to investigators from the OSCE and other international organisations.
Russia said that it backed the International Civil Aviation Organisation playing an "active role" after insisting on changes to wording of the resolution to clarify that Ukraine would not take the lead role in the probe.
The probe must not show "prejudice in defining the possible culprits in the disaster or anticipation of any results of the investigation," Russia emphasised.
Source : Sapa-AFP /kd
Date : 22 Jul 2014 09:50
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BODIES LEAVE UKRAINE WAR ZONE, TRUCE CALLED AT MH17 CRASH SITE
by Marion Thibaut with Stephane Orjollet in Donetsk
A train carrying the remains of 280 people killed in the Malaysian plane disaster was finally allowed to leave a rebel-held region in eastern Ukraine as the militants declared a truce Tuesday around the crash site.
Five days after Malaysia Airlines flight MH17 was allegedly shot out of the sky, pro-Russian separatists conceded to a furious international clamour for the bodies and the plane's black boxes to be handed over to investigators.
The devices, which record cockpit activity and flight data, were handed to Malaysian officials by the prime minister of the self-proclaimed Donetsk People's Republic, Alexander Borodai, in front of scores of journalists.
"We will order a ceasefire in an area of 10 kilometres around" the site of the disaster, which killed all 298 people on board the plane, he said.
Meanwhile, after days of bitter wrangling, the rebels released the bodies of the dead.
Loaded on a train, they will arrive in the government-controlled city of Kharkiv Tuesday before being put on a plane to the Netherlands, where the flight to Kuala Lumpur originated and which suffered the greatest loss, with 193 citizens killed in the crash.
The rebel concessions came after US President Barack Obama insisted that Moscow force the insurgents it is accused of backing to cooperate with an international probe into the disaster.
Moscow, which has drawn ire for failing to rein in the rebels, backed a UN Security Council resolution condemning the downing of the plane and demanding access to the crash site.
A senior Russian defence ministry official insisted that "Russia did not give the rebels Buk missile systems or any other kinds of weapons or military hardware".
Malaysia Airlines, reeling from its second disaster in only four months after flight MH370 went missing in the Indian Ocean, had to defend itself late Monday after confirming it had diverted a flight from Ukrainian to Syrian airspace.
"The Syrian airspace was not subject to restrictions," the flag carrier said in a statement.
Malaysian experts on the ground in Ukraine said the black boxes were "intact with only minor damage."
"We have not found the black boxes from flight MH370, so (we) are happy to be able to recover these," said a member of the Malaysian team.
On the ground, the animosity between Ukraine's warring sides was underlined by intense shelling which erupted in the rebel stronghold of Donetsk, killing five and leaving 12 wounded.
Obama put the onus to set the situation straight squarely on Russia, which he said has "direct influence over these separatists".
Russian President Vladimir Putin must prove "that he supports a full and fair investigation," Obama said.
The US president stressed that "the burden now is on Russia to insist that the separatists stop tampering with evidence, grant investigators who are already on the ground immediate, full, and unimpeded access to the crash site".
An under-fire Moscow hit back, saying records showed a Ukrainian military plane was flying just three to five kilometres from the Boeing 777 before it crashed on Thursday.
"With what aim was a military plane flying along a civilian aviation route practically at the same time and at the same flight level as a passenger liner?" asked Lieutenant-General Andrei Kartopolov.
Ukraine's President Petro Poroshenko swiftly dismissed that claim, calling it an "irresponsible and false statement" by Russia.
Russia's riposte came after Kiev released fresh recordings of what it said were intercepted conversations between rebels conspiring to hide the flight's black boxes from international monitors.
And the US embassy confirmed as authentic recordings released earlier by Kiev of an intercepted call between an insurgent commander and a Russian intelligence officer as they realised they had shot down a passenger jet.
The Washington Post said Ukraine's counterintelligence chief had photographs and other evidence that three Buk M-1 anti-aircraft missile systems moved from rebel-held territory into Russia less than 12 hours after the crash.
Earlier, at the Torez railway station, Dutch investigators wearing masks and headlights were finally allowed to examine the remains of over 200 recovered bodies.
As they opened each of the train wagons holding the remains, an overpowering stench filled the air.
Patience was wearing thin over the limited access to the crash site in Grabove, but Malaysia's premier said late Monday rebels have now agreed to give investigators full freedom to examine the scene.
As grief turned to anger, the public prosecutor's office in the Netherlands said it had opened a criminal probe into the downing of the plane.
The outrage was palpable in an open letter from Dutch national Hans de Borst, who lost his 17-year-old daughter Elsemiek.
"Thank you very much Mr Putin, separatist leaders or the Ukrainian government, for murdering my dear and only child," he wrote in the letter published by Dutch media.
"I hope that you're proud to have destroyed her young life and that you can look yourself in the mirror."
After meeting bereaved families, an emotional Dutch King Willem-Alexander said the disaster has left "a deep wound in our society".
Europe brandished the threat of new sanctions against Russia barely a week after the last round of toughened embargoes.
Whole sectors of the economy including goods with possible military uses could be targeted, British Prime Minister David Cameron said, while Canada announced new sanctions on Monday.
The separatists' violent bid to join Russia is the latest chapter in a prolonged crisis sparked by Kiev's desire for closer ties with the EU --a sentiment many in the Russian-speaking east do not share.
Source : Sapa-AFP /nsm
Date : 22 Jul 2014 06:46
by Marion Thibaut with Stephane Orjollet in Donetsk
A train carrying the remains of 280 people killed in the Malaysian plane disaster was finally allowed to leave a rebel-held region in eastern Ukraine as the militants declared a truce Tuesday around the crash site.
Five days after Malaysia Airlines flight MH17 was allegedly shot out of the sky, pro-Russian separatists conceded to a furious international clamour for the bodies and the plane's black boxes to be handed over to investigators.
The devices, which record cockpit activity and flight data, were handed to Malaysian officials by the prime minister of the self-proclaimed Donetsk People's Republic, Alexander Borodai, in front of scores of journalists.
"We will order a ceasefire in an area of 10 kilometres around" the site of the disaster, which killed all 298 people on board the plane, he said.
Meanwhile, after days of bitter wrangling, the rebels released the bodies of the dead.
Loaded on a train, they will arrive in the government-controlled city of Kharkiv Tuesday before being put on a plane to the Netherlands, where the flight to Kuala Lumpur originated and which suffered the greatest loss, with 193 citizens killed in the crash.
The rebel concessions came after US President Barack Obama insisted that Moscow force the insurgents it is accused of backing to cooperate with an international probe into the disaster.
Moscow, which has drawn ire for failing to rein in the rebels, backed a UN Security Council resolution condemning the downing of the plane and demanding access to the crash site.
A senior Russian defence ministry official insisted that "Russia did not give the rebels Buk missile systems or any other kinds of weapons or military hardware".
Malaysia Airlines, reeling from its second disaster in only four months after flight MH370 went missing in the Indian Ocean, had to defend itself late Monday after confirming it had diverted a flight from Ukrainian to Syrian airspace.
"The Syrian airspace was not subject to restrictions," the flag carrier said in a statement.
Malaysian experts on the ground in Ukraine said the black boxes were "intact with only minor damage."
"We have not found the black boxes from flight MH370, so (we) are happy to be able to recover these," said a member of the Malaysian team.
On the ground, the animosity between Ukraine's warring sides was underlined by intense shelling which erupted in the rebel stronghold of Donetsk, killing five and leaving 12 wounded.
Obama put the onus to set the situation straight squarely on Russia, which he said has "direct influence over these separatists".
Russian President Vladimir Putin must prove "that he supports a full and fair investigation," Obama said.
The US president stressed that "the burden now is on Russia to insist that the separatists stop tampering with evidence, grant investigators who are already on the ground immediate, full, and unimpeded access to the crash site".
An under-fire Moscow hit back, saying records showed a Ukrainian military plane was flying just three to five kilometres from the Boeing 777 before it crashed on Thursday.
"With what aim was a military plane flying along a civilian aviation route practically at the same time and at the same flight level as a passenger liner?" asked Lieutenant-General Andrei Kartopolov.
Ukraine's President Petro Poroshenko swiftly dismissed that claim, calling it an "irresponsible and false statement" by Russia.
Russia's riposte came after Kiev released fresh recordings of what it said were intercepted conversations between rebels conspiring to hide the flight's black boxes from international monitors.
And the US embassy confirmed as authentic recordings released earlier by Kiev of an intercepted call between an insurgent commander and a Russian intelligence officer as they realised they had shot down a passenger jet.
The Washington Post said Ukraine's counterintelligence chief had photographs and other evidence that three Buk M-1 anti-aircraft missile systems moved from rebel-held territory into Russia less than 12 hours after the crash.
Earlier, at the Torez railway station, Dutch investigators wearing masks and headlights were finally allowed to examine the remains of over 200 recovered bodies.
As they opened each of the train wagons holding the remains, an overpowering stench filled the air.
Patience was wearing thin over the limited access to the crash site in Grabove, but Malaysia's premier said late Monday rebels have now agreed to give investigators full freedom to examine the scene.
As grief turned to anger, the public prosecutor's office in the Netherlands said it had opened a criminal probe into the downing of the plane.
The outrage was palpable in an open letter from Dutch national Hans de Borst, who lost his 17-year-old daughter Elsemiek.
"Thank you very much Mr Putin, separatist leaders or the Ukrainian government, for murdering my dear and only child," he wrote in the letter published by Dutch media.
"I hope that you're proud to have destroyed her young life and that you can look yourself in the mirror."
After meeting bereaved families, an emotional Dutch King Willem-Alexander said the disaster has left "a deep wound in our society".
Europe brandished the threat of new sanctions against Russia barely a week after the last round of toughened embargoes.
Whole sectors of the economy including goods with possible military uses could be targeted, British Prime Minister David Cameron said, while Canada announced new sanctions on Monday.
The separatists' violent bid to join Russia is the latest chapter in a prolonged crisis sparked by Kiev's desire for closer ties with the EU --a sentiment many in the Russian-speaking east do not share.
Source : Sapa-AFP /nsm
Date : 22 Jul 2014 06:46
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Yes, apparently there were 2 NATO AWACS up the on the Day and time of the MH17 disaster.
http://en.itar-tass.com/world/741356
Now here is the problem , the 2 onboard AWACS RADAR's range is in the region of +- 400KM and 650 km,
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_E-3_Sentry
so no matter what, if they were flying anywhere along the border lines of either Poland or Romania, they would not have been able to to see more than half way into Ukrainian territory.
For either plane to have seen what occured they would have had to be flying over either Ukraine or Russia airspace.
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Thanks for the info that's interesting, although i am aware that a SU-25 service ceiling is around 16k ft loaded with weapons.
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AUSTRALIAN WATCHDOG WARNS OF MH17 SCAMS
Australia's consumer watchdog has warned people to be wary of scams seeking to take advantage of the Malaysia Airlines MH17 tragedy, saying false Facebook profiles had already been set up.
In an attempt to make money from the tragedy of the jet which was apparently shot down over Ukraine, killing all 298 on board, fake social media profiles of some Australian victims had been created, the Australian Competition and Consumer Commission said.
"The profiles direct people to a blog, where they are then bombarded with dubious advertisements," the ACCC said in a statement late Monday.
"If you click on the advertisement, the scammer can make money from the advertising 'service' (where they receive advertising revenue for each click through to a client's website or product)."
The watchdog warned that the website could also be infected with malware, potentially compromising the security of the computers used to access the website.
Scammers are also known to use major news stories -- including tragedies such as missing Malaysia Airlines Flight MH370 and the 2013 Boston marathon bombing -- to seek donations for fake charities, the ACCC warned.
Source : Sapa-AFP /nsm
Date : 22 Jul 2014 03:52
Australia's consumer watchdog has warned people to be wary of scams seeking to take advantage of the Malaysia Airlines MH17 tragedy, saying false Facebook profiles had already been set up.
In an attempt to make money from the tragedy of the jet which was apparently shot down over Ukraine, killing all 298 on board, fake social media profiles of some Australian victims had been created, the Australian Competition and Consumer Commission said.
"The profiles direct people to a blog, where they are then bombarded with dubious advertisements," the ACCC said in a statement late Monday.
"If you click on the advertisement, the scammer can make money from the advertising 'service' (where they receive advertising revenue for each click through to a client's website or product)."
The watchdog warned that the website could also be infected with malware, potentially compromising the security of the computers used to access the website.
Scammers are also known to use major news stories -- including tragedies such as missing Malaysia Airlines Flight MH370 and the 2013 Boston marathon bombing -- to seek donations for fake charities, the ACCC warned.
Source : Sapa-AFP /nsm
Date : 22 Jul 2014 03:52
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I am going to go ahead and assume that is a error
No, it it is not an error, just a lie.
An admission that Russia had supplied such weapons to the separatists immediately makes the Russians liable.
But we have all seen the photographs, the separatists DID have such weapons.
And they admitted to shooting down a large plane on that day.
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VITAL EVIDENCE FEARED WITHHELD BY UKRAINE'S REBELS
"What exactly are they trying to hide?" President Barack Obama asked Monday as he demanded that Ukrainian rebels give investigators access to the wreckage of the downed jetliner.
The answer is: potentially a lot.
Aviation and defense experts say the victims' bodies could contain missile shrapnel. Chemical residue on the plane could confirm the type of weapon that brought down Malaysia Airlines Flight 17. And the location of the wreckage could yield information on how the attack unfolded.
The black boxes could offer vital clues as well. The cockpit voice recorder would record the bang of a missile. The data recorders, which register altitude and position, would be able to tie that information to the timing of a known missile launch in the area.
"You can effectively backtrack and give a relatively high degree of confidence in the location where that missile took off from," said a Manchester, England-based aviation industry consultant, Chris Yates. "If that location happens to be in rebel-held territory, which we all suspect it is, that would be the first point where you could point the finger of blame."
But while anguished families waited to take possession of their loved ones' remains, and investigators had to wait for the rebels to hand over the black boxes, independent observers warned that the pro-Moscow separatists had tampered with the debris and failed to secure the crash site. And the U.S. and its allies fumed that the rebels are trying to cover up evidence they shot down the plane.
Yates warned that the rebels may have already compromised the probe.
"What is gained, of course, is the possibility that whatever evidence remains of a missile strike can be obliterated," he said. "That's the bottom line, I suppose."
In this still mysterious tragedy, for example, the bodies themselves could offer precious clues. A missile from a Russian-made SA-11 mobile launcher, also known as a Buk, would explode outside the target aircraft, hurling shrapnel into the plane. Some bodies might bear the telltale wounds.
"While the stated reasons for removing some of the bodies to a refrigerated train - to protect them from wild animals and slow their decomposition - may be genuine, the bodies, too, are evidence," said Keir Giles, an expert on security at the Chatham House think tank.
Lyubov Kudryavets, a worker at the Torez morgue, told The Associated Press that last Thursday, after the plane went down over eastern Ukraine, a resident brought in the bloody body of a child, about 7 or 8 years old. On Saturday, she said, pro-Russian militiamen came to claim it.
"They began to question me: 'Where are the fragments of rocket? Where are the fragments from the plane?'" Kudryavets said. "But I didn't have any wreckage. ... I swear."
Rebel leader Alexander Borodai has denied he and his comrades-in-arms were trying to tamper with evidence, saying the bodies would be turned over to Malaysian experts.
As of Monday, the remains of 282 people had been reported recovered. A total of 298 people were killed in the downing of the Boeing wide-body jet; some bodies may have been all but obliterated.
A team of international observers suggested that some of the evidence may have been tampered with.
At the biggest site on Monday, "we did not see any perimeter security in the place," Michael Bociurkiw, a spokesman for the Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe, told reporters in Donetsk. The monitors observed that one of the largest pieces of debris - apparently a large cone section - "had somewhat been split or moved apart."
On an earlier visit to one of the smaller impact sites, where the cockpit and beginning of the first-class section lay, the observers also witnessed apparent tampering.
"We observed workers there hacking into the fuselage with gas-powered equipment," Bociurkiw said.
The alternative explanation for the slow pace of examination and restricted access to the site is simply that a war is going on, said Michael Desch, an expert on international security at the University of Notre Dame.
"I think that what people are missing is that this tragedy has taken place in an active war zone - the Ukrainian Army is today operating against Donetsk - and given that, it is not surprising that the rebels are not being as cooperative as they might otherwise be," he said in an email.
Besides that, eastern Ukraine wasn't known as a model of organization even before the conflict began. The rebel groups that have seized control haven't installed civil institutions that could cordon off the site or organize the orderly removal of bodies.
Russia experts like Andrew Weiss at the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace in Washington said that sheer incompetence, rather than criminal intent, cannot be ruled out as an explanation for the way the rebels are handling the disaster.
"There's just a lot of chaos on the ground," Weiss said. "Everything being messed up is part of daily life. It's not a highly ordered society the way Switzerland is. It's one thing to say it is part of a big conspiracy ... but it's not clear."
Whether by accident or design, the lack of swift access to the crash site may make it harder to determine who and what doomed the jet. And persistent doubts could benefit Russian President Vladimir Putin and undermine the push in the West to impose further sanctions against Moscow.
"It's really a mess," Weiss said. "The question is: Does that mess have some political benefits for Russia?"
Source : Sapa-AP /nsm
Date : 22 Jul 2014 01:24
"What exactly are they trying to hide?" President Barack Obama asked Monday as he demanded that Ukrainian rebels give investigators access to the wreckage of the downed jetliner.
The answer is: potentially a lot.
Aviation and defense experts say the victims' bodies could contain missile shrapnel. Chemical residue on the plane could confirm the type of weapon that brought down Malaysia Airlines Flight 17. And the location of the wreckage could yield information on how the attack unfolded.
The black boxes could offer vital clues as well. The cockpit voice recorder would record the bang of a missile. The data recorders, which register altitude and position, would be able to tie that information to the timing of a known missile launch in the area.
"You can effectively backtrack and give a relatively high degree of confidence in the location where that missile took off from," said a Manchester, England-based aviation industry consultant, Chris Yates. "If that location happens to be in rebel-held territory, which we all suspect it is, that would be the first point where you could point the finger of blame."
But while anguished families waited to take possession of their loved ones' remains, and investigators had to wait for the rebels to hand over the black boxes, independent observers warned that the pro-Moscow separatists had tampered with the debris and failed to secure the crash site. And the U.S. and its allies fumed that the rebels are trying to cover up evidence they shot down the plane.
Yates warned that the rebels may have already compromised the probe.
"What is gained, of course, is the possibility that whatever evidence remains of a missile strike can be obliterated," he said. "That's the bottom line, I suppose."
In this still mysterious tragedy, for example, the bodies themselves could offer precious clues. A missile from a Russian-made SA-11 mobile launcher, also known as a Buk, would explode outside the target aircraft, hurling shrapnel into the plane. Some bodies might bear the telltale wounds.
"While the stated reasons for removing some of the bodies to a refrigerated train - to protect them from wild animals and slow their decomposition - may be genuine, the bodies, too, are evidence," said Keir Giles, an expert on security at the Chatham House think tank.
Lyubov Kudryavets, a worker at the Torez morgue, told The Associated Press that last Thursday, after the plane went down over eastern Ukraine, a resident brought in the bloody body of a child, about 7 or 8 years old. On Saturday, she said, pro-Russian militiamen came to claim it.
"They began to question me: 'Where are the fragments of rocket? Where are the fragments from the plane?'" Kudryavets said. "But I didn't have any wreckage. ... I swear."
Rebel leader Alexander Borodai has denied he and his comrades-in-arms were trying to tamper with evidence, saying the bodies would be turned over to Malaysian experts.
As of Monday, the remains of 282 people had been reported recovered. A total of 298 people were killed in the downing of the Boeing wide-body jet; some bodies may have been all but obliterated.
A team of international observers suggested that some of the evidence may have been tampered with.
At the biggest site on Monday, "we did not see any perimeter security in the place," Michael Bociurkiw, a spokesman for the Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe, told reporters in Donetsk. The monitors observed that one of the largest pieces of debris - apparently a large cone section - "had somewhat been split or moved apart."
On an earlier visit to one of the smaller impact sites, where the cockpit and beginning of the first-class section lay, the observers also witnessed apparent tampering.
"We observed workers there hacking into the fuselage with gas-powered equipment," Bociurkiw said.
The alternative explanation for the slow pace of examination and restricted access to the site is simply that a war is going on, said Michael Desch, an expert on international security at the University of Notre Dame.
"I think that what people are missing is that this tragedy has taken place in an active war zone - the Ukrainian Army is today operating against Donetsk - and given that, it is not surprising that the rebels are not being as cooperative as they might otherwise be," he said in an email.
Besides that, eastern Ukraine wasn't known as a model of organization even before the conflict began. The rebel groups that have seized control haven't installed civil institutions that could cordon off the site or organize the orderly removal of bodies.
Russia experts like Andrew Weiss at the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace in Washington said that sheer incompetence, rather than criminal intent, cannot be ruled out as an explanation for the way the rebels are handling the disaster.
"There's just a lot of chaos on the ground," Weiss said. "Everything being messed up is part of daily life. It's not a highly ordered society the way Switzerland is. It's one thing to say it is part of a big conspiracy ... but it's not clear."
Whether by accident or design, the lack of swift access to the crash site may make it harder to determine who and what doomed the jet. And persistent doubts could benefit Russian President Vladimir Putin and undermine the push in the West to impose further sanctions against Moscow.
"It's really a mess," Weiss said. "The question is: Does that mess have some political benefits for Russia?"
Source : Sapa-AP /nsm
Date : 22 Jul 2014 01:24
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PRIME MINISTER NAJIB PRAISED FOR HANDLING OF FLIGHT MH17 TRAGEDY
Malaysia's prime minister was praised Tuesday for the way he was handling the downing of Malaysia Airlines flight MH17, in stark contrast to four months ago when he was pilloried for the apparent bungling over the disappearance of another plane.
"Good Job Prime Minister Najib Razak for deftly negotiating the handing over of passenger remains and the black boxes," tweeted prominent lawyer and social activist Ambiga Sreneevasan. "Well done Malaysian team," she added.
Opposition leader Lim Kit Siang urged Malaysians to continue supporting Najib's efforts to bring to justice the perpetrators of the MH17 tragedy. "Malaysians must remain united on the MH17 disaster, continue to give full backing to Najib and the government to demand swift justice against the perpetrators of this crime," he said in a blog post.
Najib has been personally overseeing the government's efforts during the tragedy and informing the public since the plane with 298 people aboard crashed in eastern Ukraine on Thursday, apparently after being shot down by a missile. He announced before dawn Tuesday that he struck a deal with Ukrainian rebel leader Alexander Borodai to break the four-day impasse on how to handle the remains, as well as to permit an investigation. Najib said he convinced Borodai to deliver the flight data recorders to the Malaysian team, to hand over the human remains to the Netherlands and to allow international investigators safe and unfettered access to the crash site. "In recent days, there were times I wanted to give greater voice to the anger and grief that the Malaysian people feel," he said. "But sometimes, we must work quietly in the service of a better outcome. "There is work still to be done, work which relies on continued communication in good faith.
Mr Borodai and his people have so far given their cooperation," the premier said. "I ask that all parties continue to work together to ensure that this agreement is honoured."
Source : Sapa-dpa /kd
Date : 22 Jul 2014 10:21
Malaysia's prime minister was praised Tuesday for the way he was handling the downing of Malaysia Airlines flight MH17, in stark contrast to four months ago when he was pilloried for the apparent bungling over the disappearance of another plane.
"Good Job Prime Minister Najib Razak for deftly negotiating the handing over of passenger remains and the black boxes," tweeted prominent lawyer and social activist Ambiga Sreneevasan. "Well done Malaysian team," she added.
Opposition leader Lim Kit Siang urged Malaysians to continue supporting Najib's efforts to bring to justice the perpetrators of the MH17 tragedy. "Malaysians must remain united on the MH17 disaster, continue to give full backing to Najib and the government to demand swift justice against the perpetrators of this crime," he said in a blog post.
Najib has been personally overseeing the government's efforts during the tragedy and informing the public since the plane with 298 people aboard crashed in eastern Ukraine on Thursday, apparently after being shot down by a missile. He announced before dawn Tuesday that he struck a deal with Ukrainian rebel leader Alexander Borodai to break the four-day impasse on how to handle the remains, as well as to permit an investigation. Najib said he convinced Borodai to deliver the flight data recorders to the Malaysian team, to hand over the human remains to the Netherlands and to allow international investigators safe and unfettered access to the crash site. "In recent days, there were times I wanted to give greater voice to the anger and grief that the Malaysian people feel," he said. "But sometimes, we must work quietly in the service of a better outcome. "There is work still to be done, work which relies on continued communication in good faith.
Mr Borodai and his people have so far given their cooperation," the premier said. "I ask that all parties continue to work together to ensure that this agreement is honoured."
Source : Sapa-dpa /kd
Date : 22 Jul 2014 10:21
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Of course, those are the "public" capabilities
Yes and no
RADAR works off radio waves, and one needs to consider curvature of the Earth and line of sight (LOS) to get a return signal for the RADAR pulse.
I.E. The AWACS E3 sentry has a ceiling of 41000 feet or 12 500m, now if you input 12 500m into this simple calculator, the LOS distance for the radio waves is 399.5 Km ,equaling the range of the 1 onboard RADAR system.
http://www.hamuniverse.com/lineofsightcalculator.html
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Yes and no
RADAR works off radio waves, and one needs to consider curvature of the Earth and line of sight (LOS) to get a return signal for the RADAR pulse.
I.E. The AWACS E3 sentry has a ceiling of 41000 feet or 12 500m, now if you input 12 500m into this simple calculator, the LOS distance for the radio waves is 399.5 Km ,equaling the range of the 1 onboard RADAR system.
http://www.hamuniverse.com/lineofsightcalculator.html
Depends on the altitude of the target too...
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Eish, man. What is it with our fellow humans? Nothing sacred; anything for gold.
What a sad world we live in.
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Well, they do say 650km for planes at height.
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Yep , plus strength of emitter, reciever, pulse and a whole whack of other variables.
(unfortunately even at the altitude that MH17 was flying it would not have been visible to any AWACS operating in the airspace they were in, it would still have been way below the horizon)
Unhappy438
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Didnt they say heat signature? That would be satellite.
