Malema, Mazzotti and Pauw spat - R1m 'crime proceeds' loan claim surfaces

[schumi]

A spat between author Jacques Pauw and Julius Malema has escalated, with Pauw alleging the EFF leader received a R1 million loan from a business associate of self-confessed tobacco smuggler Adriano Mazzotti and in doing so, he may have unknowingly accepted the proceeds of crime.

But Mazzotti, on behalf of his tobacco company Carnilinx and Malema, has hit back.

Mazzotti "categorically denied" that a donation by Carnilinx to the EFF involved money made as a result of crime.

Malema said Pauw should open a criminal case if the loan - used to go towards a tax matter and which he said was paid by Kyle Phillips, a co-director in Carnilinx - was indeed the proceeds of crime and that Pauw is "exaggerating his self-importance" by effectively acting as a court of law.

"If it is the proceeds of crime, let them open a case. I am not going to be judged - that's the problem with white supremacy.

"It thinks it is so superior to a level where it can compare itself with a court of law. To come to a conclusion that people are using the proceeds of crime, only a court can make such a determination," Malema told News24 on Friday.

More at: https://www.news24.com/SouthAfrica/...m-crime-proceeds-loan-claim-surfaces-20180706

 

[ponder]

EFF took the money, why do you think mpofu is such a sudden protectorate of sars moyani, they've been having it...

 

[Sl8er]

Malema, Mazzotti and Pauw spat - R1m 'crime proceeds' loan claim surfaces

malema's name sure seems like it's been associated with some very, very dodgy characters, over the years.
Reminds me of the old adage: "Where there's smoke, there's fire"

I doubt Pauw would go through the whole spiel if he was lying -he sure seems right about zuma, his cronies and ol' tommy-boy, so....

 

[greg0205]

Politics in the post-truth era.

1. Deny and lie
2. Double down on the lies
3. Attack source
4. Demand proof from source
5. "Fake news" response to evidence provided
6. WMC/Deep state conspiracy response to mounting evidence
7. Attack source
8. Triple down on lies
9 'Whatabout" Patricia/Bathabile, literally any deflection will do
10. Everyone's doing it, why can't we? Admit guilt but only as a *victim* of a 'corrupt' system

 

[C4Cat]

Politics in the post-truth era.

1. Deny and lie
2. Double down on the lies
3. Attack source
4. Demand proof from source
5. "Fake news" response to evidence provided
6. WMC/Deep state conspiracy response to mounting evidence
7. Attack source
8. Triple down on lies
9 'Whatabout" Patricia/Bathabile, literally any deflection will do
10. Everyone's doing it, why can't we? Admit guilt but only as a *victim* of a 'corrupt' system

In this example though it's 'open a case and take it to court'

 

[greg0205]

In this example though it's 'open a case and take it to court'

Yep. If the EFF are being defamed, why aren't *they* suing? Flipping it on Pauw is the only way to spin it and save face.

 

[C4Cat]

Yep. If the EFF are being defamed, why aren't *they* suing? Flipping it on Pauw is the only way to spin it and save face.

Pauw is the one who made the accusation. Burden of proof is on him, not the other way around.

 

[greg0205]

Pauw is the one who made the accusation. Burden of proof is on him, not the other way around.

And what charge would Pauw bring?

He's presented data points his reporting has uncovered. If those points are false, Malema has a legitimate cause.

My take is that the EFF would never allow this to play out as public record in court of law so they'll opt for a social media battle where, as I pointed out, anything and everything Pauw presents will be dismissed as fake news... There will be no need to address any substantive issues raised by Pauw as the veracity will never be tested... Bonus points if you can have your twitter army muddy the water and issue death threats to everyone who isn't the CIC or his cohort.

 

[CataclysmZA]

Mazzotti "categorically denied" that a donation by Carnilinx to the EFF involved money made as a result of crime.

Malema said Pauw should open a criminal case if the loan - used to go towards a tax matter and which he said was paid by Kyle Phillips, a co-director in Carnilinx - was indeed the proceeds of crime and that Pauw is "exaggerating his self-importance" by effectively acting as a court of law.

But Carnilinx admitted in an affidavit to SARS that they broke the law, committed fraud, bribed officials, and dodged taxes. None of that money was ever paid back, therefore the money is from the proceeds of crime.

 

[greg0205]

But Carnilinx admitted in an affidavit to SARS that they broke the law, committed fraud, bribed officials, and dodged taxes. None of that money was ever paid back, therefore the money is from the proceeds of crime.

This is the detail JM is trying to deflect from with accusations of Pravin trying to capture SARS.

 

[Vrotappel]

This is South Africa where criminals get rewarded and everything is blamed on whites.

 

[ForceFate]

This is South Africa where criminals get rewarded and everything is blamed on whites.

 

[surface]

mandatory to sneak in word "white" some how. Reminds me of this.

Little Johnny's teacher asks him to make a sentence using the following words: defeat, deduct, defense and detail.

Little Johnny says, "De feet of de duck went over de fence before de tail."

 

[Hamish McPanji]

/waits for regular stormfronters to accuse him of being a racist because he sees everything in racial terms

 

[Willie Trombone]

Pauw is the one who made the accusation. Burden of proof is on him, not the other way around.

He did?

he may have unknowingly accepted the proceeds of crime.

I read that he speculated based on probability, nothing more. Everyone else is diving into the emotional soup.

 

[ForceFate]

mandatory to sneak in word "white" some how. Reminds me of this.

Little Johnny's teacher asks him to make a sentence using the following words: defeat, deduct, defense and detail.

Little Johnny says, "De feet of de duck went over de fence before de tail."

 

[Gordon_R]

https://ewn.co.za/2018/12/03/malema-s-family-living-in-house-on-estate-owned-by-adriano-mazzotti

It’s emerged that cigarette manufacturer Adriano Mazzotti may be a bigger benefactor of Economic Freedom Fighters (EFF) leader Julius Malema than initially thought.

Eyewitness News can reveal that the firebrand politician’s wife and children live in a house in a high-security Hyde Park estate which is owned by Mazzotti, who is also part owner of cigarettes manufacturing company, Carnilinx.

 

[Devvi3m]

https://ewn.co.za/2018/12/03/malema-s-family-living-in-house-on-estate-owned-by-adriano-mazzotti

We all know Malema is a crook and we also all know he will never go to jail for any of his crimes.

 

[Gordon_R]

The hypocrisy is amazing: https://www.news24.com/SouthAfrica/News/eff-condemns-publication-of-malemas-home-address-20181203

The Economic Freedom Fighters (EFF) condemned the publication of the home address of its leader Julius Malema.

The party said in a statement on Monday that the invasion of the privacy of the EFF leadership and their families was an attempt to discredit the party and its objectives and it should not be tolerated.

 

[Vrotappel]

mandatory to sneak in word "white" some how. Reminds me of this.

Little Johnny's teacher asks him to make a sentence using the following words: defeat, deduct, defense and detail.

Little Johnny says, "De feet of de duck went over de fence before de tail."

You missed this it seems:

"If it is the proceeds of crime, let them open a case. I am not going to be judged - that's the problem with white supremacy.

Malema himself sneaked it in.