Man held after at least eight people injured in Southport stabbing

vigras rojara said:
Could you post some proof of this? A copy/paste from the internet is good enough for the mouth breathers, but surely you can do better.
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First one is from 16 May 2021(I think).
4 arrested, 2 had charges dropped and later same with the other two. Came down to it basically being very difficult to pin the chants on the 4. I.e a case that was going nowhere.
 
Dave said:
It’s more about the big social networks having some responsibility
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Ah, thank you. YouTube and MSN then need to be made aware that comments need to be preserved. They remove anything that doesn't align with their self defined "Community Guidelines".
 
Dave said:
The guy was jailed for taking part in a riot. He pled guilty.


www.yourlocalguardian.co.uk

Sutton man, 61, who chanted ‘who the f*** is Allah’ is jailed for 18 months

David Spring made threatening gestures at police and chanted “who the f*** is Allah” during large-scale disorder in Whitehall.
www.yourlocalguardian.co.uk www.yourlocalguardian.co.uk
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What is worrying me is that British judges, who are in general known for lenient sentencing for actual violent crimes are now imposing harsh sentences for hurty words against citizens who have worked all their lives and been law abiding like this guy.
 
Cosmik Debris said:
What is worrying me is that British judges, who are in general known for lenient sentencing for actual violent crimes are now imposing harsh sentences for hurty words against citizens who have worked all their lives and been law abiding like this guy.
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Sure but I think the context is slightly different. Starmer (with good connections from his prosecuting days) has sent out the message to police and judiciary to pluck the low hanging fruit and, as above from PaulKemp, where it is a group chant from a tough mob, successful prosecution is hard. One identified individual, threatened with being held in remand without bail, for possibly longer than his sentence, is a pushover to plead guilty.
 
Dave said:
The guy was jailed for taking part in a riot. He pled guilty.


www.yourlocalguardian.co.uk

Sutton man, 61, who chanted ‘who the f*** is Allah’ is jailed for 18 months

David Spring made threatening gestures at police and chanted “who the f*** is Allah” during large-scale disorder in Whitehall.
www.yourlocalguardian.co.uk www.yourlocalguardian.co.uk
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He got 18 months jail for gestures & saying something about imaginary creature?

Wow.
He made threatening gestures at police and chanted “who the f*** is Allah”
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Dave said:
I wasn’t there, so can’t really say exactly what he did or didn’t do.
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Not really a problem not having been there. One of the usuals, who also wasn't there, will be along shortly with an opinion he got from the internet, and reee about exactly what went down.
 
Oldfut said:
Sure but I think the context is slightly different. Starmer (with good connections from his prosecuting days) has sent out the message to police and judiciary to pluck the low hanging fruit and, as above from PaulKemp, where it is a group chant from a tough mob, successful prosecution is hard. One identified individual, threatened with being held in remand without bail, for possibly longer than his sentence, is a pushover to plead guilty.
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Exactly. These are gangster tactics by Starmer, his judiciary connections, and the Starmtroopers. that make a mockery of the judiciary, police, ethics and civilised norms. Instead of sorting out the underlying problem, thuggery is used and an example made of a few soft target individuals to deter anyone else except the hard targets.

It's worrying when the supposedly independent judiciary can answer the call of politicians.
 
Jam Sandwich said:
18 months for talking kak... Vs 2 years 9 months for a rape...
Makes sense..

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The duration of both those sentences certainly appears concerning.

But remember that there are approximately 1250 people convicted of criminal offences in the UK every day, so looking for a trend based on two examples is a bit unreliable.
 
vigras rojara said:
The duration of both those sentences certainly appears concerning.

But remember that there are approximately 1250 people convicted of criminal offences in the UK every day, so looking for a trend based on two examples is a bit unreliable.
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Pretty good for supporting misinformation though. David Spring wasn’t sentenced for what he said. He was sentenced because a protest turned into a riot. The group moved out of their designated area and started launching projectiles and causing chaos.
I’d argue that David got caught up in it though and did not go out with the intention to riot and is remorseful and embarrassed for his part in it.
 
Cosmik Debris said:
Exactly. These are gangster tactics by Starmer, his judiciary connections, and the Starmtroopers. that make a mockery of the judiciary, police, ethics and civilised norms. Instead of sorting out the underlying problem, thuggery is used and an example made of a few soft target individuals to deter anyone else except the hard targets.

It's worrying when the supposedly independent judiciary can answer the call of politicians.
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The laws were in place before Starmer became PM and the people involved in the riots have been pleading guilty to offences under those laws.

So exactly what gangster tactics is starmer doing and what judiciary is answering the call of politicians?
 
vigras rojara said:
The duration of both those sentences certainly appears concerning.

But remember that there are approximately 1250 people convicted of criminal offences in the UK every day, so looking for a trend based on two examples is a bit unreliable.
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There is a definite trend for harsh sentences and very rapid prosecution concerning hurty word offences since the Southport murder. Can you give me the trend for hurty word offences and the prosecution time average for those before the Southport incident?
 
Cosmik Debris said:
There is a definite trend for harsh sentences and very rapid prosecution concerning hurty word offences since the Southport murder. Can you give me the trend for hurty word offences and the prosecution time average for those before the Southport incident?
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I think the harsh sentences relate to offences committed in riot situations and nothing to do with “hurty word offences”. Don’t be gullible, Cosmik.
 
Dave said:
So exactly what gangster tactics is starmer doing and what judiciary is answering the call of politicians?
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Here's an example:

If there is going to be a tax revolt, you cannot lock up all the taxpayers. So you act rapidly on the first that revolt and prosecute them rapidly with harsh sentences. Nip it in the bud so to speak. After all, the law has always been there. And now you needn't address the underlying reasons for the revolt for a while either.

They needn't lock up the entire country. You just need to know they can lock you up. That stops you from revolting.
 
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