Mango plane scare - Criminals supplying faulty parts at SAA

Everyones-a-Wally

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Concerns me about. “SAA Technical conducts major maintenance for SAA, Mango, and a number of European, African, and Middle-Eastern airlines.”
Which are they?

At least comair isn’t using them.
Comair has their own issues.
 

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"International crime syndicate"
You can be sure that's SAA staff at the helm regardless.
I dont think this involves any developed countries.

Developed countries are held accountable.

International crime syndicate probably means other African countries or the ANC way of deflecting & saying "external forces", to avoid accountability.
 

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Anyone know what day this happened and the flight number?

Flew JHB to CPT yesterday, wondering how close I came to being on this flight
This occurance happened in September (part fitted in August)

Also, take this myBB article with a pinch of salt, it's very sensationalist...

A trim issue like this will not nosedive the aircraft like what happened with the maxes, passengers would have probably never even have been aware of the issue during the flight, and would have easily mistaken the jolt for some mild turbulence

Yes there are questions to be asked about part traceability (trust me, I've been down this road) but luckily our CAA is also subject to inspection by ICAO, so if there was anything drastic and widespread going on, SAAT would have been shut down and CoA's pulled a long time ago...

If the CAA fails the ICAO audit every few years, we lose the right to have our aircraft cross our boarders, and most airlines won't fly here, so there are some serious consequences that our politicians won't be able to get around in this instance
 
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Lol not that easy. Some legs only SAA fly. Others, you'll pay triple for the other tail.

She can get to Canada without having to fly any SAA aircraft.
Also, her question wasn't about cost, it was about avoiding SAA.
 

Everyones-a-Wally

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This occurance happened in August

Also, take this myBB article with a pinch of salt, it's very sensationalist...

A trim issue like this will not nosedive the aircraft like what happened with the maxes, passengers would have probably never even have been aware of the issue during the flight, and would have easily mistaken the jolt for some mild turbulence

Yes there are questions to be asked about part traceability (trust me, I've been down this road) but luckily our CAA is also subject to inspection by ICAO, so if there was anything drastic and widespread going on, SAAT would have been shut down and CoA's pulled a long time ago...

If the CAA fails the ICAO audit every few years, we lose the right to have our aircraft cross our boarders, and most airlines won't fly here, so there are some serious consequences that our politicians won't be able to get around in this instance
The article is less about one incident and more about the bigger issue of corruption and how it affects everybody.
 

Everyones-a-Wally

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She can get to Canada without having to fly any SAA aircraft.
Also, her question wasn't about cost, it was about avoiding SAA.
Which is fine, just be prepared to pay. E.g. I have paid R40k for a return Delta flight (NY) vs R15k for SAA.
 

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I hate flying and flew this route a week ago.

I constantly had to remind myself that it wasn't an episode of air crash investigation. Airplane accidents are rare

I also told myself that SAA is always bailed out & they have the money for maintenance etc.

Can you imagine if that plane crashed?

The government is never accountable for anything.

They get away with murder, literally. Life Esidimeni proved that.

The public need to be more pissed off about this. This is serious.

We need to boycott mango, people need to protest & mango pilots +aircrew need to protest.
 
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chefdude98

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This occurance happened in September (part fitted in August)

Also, take this myBB article with a pinch of salt, it's very sensationalist...

A trim issue like this will not nosedive the aircraft like what happened with the maxes, passengers would have probably never even have been aware of the issue during the flight, and would have easily mistaken the jolt for some mild turbulence

Yes there are questions to be asked about part traceability (trust me, I've been down this road) but luckily our CAA is also subject to inspection by ICAO, so if there was anything drastic and widespread going on, SAAT would have been shut down and CoA's pulled a long time ago...

If the CAA fails the ICAO audit every few years, we lose the right to have our aircraft cross our boarders, and most airlines won't fly here, so there are some serious consequences that our politicians won't be able to get around in this instance

I flew Mango by default cos they are the cheapest. I won't be using them any longer.

Sensationalist or not I will be using Comair & Safair now.
 

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The article is less about one incident and more about the bigger issue of corruption and how it affects everybody.
By scaring people using aviation as an example....
Not exactly professional journalism

If anything, the part prices are just being inflated like any other government contract, you're not going to find these parts outside of specialized resellers, using used parts on airliners is common practice, but the history needs to be known, hence the paperwork for the airliner often weighting more than the aircraft itself :p
 

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Yes there are questions to be asked about part traceability (trust me, I've been down this road) but luckily our CAA is also subject to inspection by ICAO, so if there was anything drastic and widespread going on, SAAT would have been shut down and CoA's pulled a long time ago...

If the CAA fails the ICAO audit every few years, we lose the right to have our aircraft cross our boarders, and most airlines won't fly here, so there are some serious consequences that our politicians won't be able to get around in this instance
That is applicable in a perfect world where nothing falls through the cracks between comprehensive audits that are several years apart, this is Africa which exists very far outside of the perfect world.
 

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By scaring people using aviation as an example....
Not exactly professional journalism

If anything, the part prices are just being inflated like any other government contract, you're not going to find these parts outside of specialized resellers, using used parts on airliners is common practice, but the history needs to be known, hence the paperwork for the airliner often weighting more than the aircraft itself :p
You were scared?
Come on. Time to grow a pair and ignore the fact that these planes have dodgy midnight spares powering them.
 

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That is applicable in a perfect world where nothing falls through the cracks between comprehensive audits that are several years apart, this is Africa which exists very far outside of the perfect world.
And the second ICAO smells a rat, they start an unscheduled audit - as much as the politicians are looting SAA etc, they realize that if something happens on the regulatory side, where we are subject to international scrutiny, the gravy train comes to a very sudden halt, it's in their interest to comply with the minimum standards required
 

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You only need join the dots. Government itself is already on public record recognising that the single biggest problem for SAA is in fact SAA Technical. The wholesale theft of parts is by their own admission untenable (with some stolen parts weighing in at 3 tons) . Can you even imagine the levels of maladministration that would enable that to take place? From there it only requires the joining of another dot to figure out under what circumstances fake parts would enter their technical supply chain. In fact under the circumstances that government has described it would literally be impossible to imagine that faulty parts would not enter the supply chain within such an environment of gross mismanagement.
 

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You only need join the dots. Government itself is already on public record recognising that the single biggest problem for SAA is in fact SAA Technical. The wholesale theft of parts is by their own admission untenable (with some stolen parts weighing in at 3 tons) . Can you even imagine the levels of maladministration that would enable that to take place? From there it only requires the joining of another dot to figure out under what circumstances fake parts would enter their technical supply chain. In fact under the circumstances that government has described it would literally be impossible to imagine that faulty parts would not enter the supply chain within such an environment of gross mismanagement.
Reminds me of the time a strike craft prop found its way out of SAS Simonsberg's dockyard.
 

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And the second ICAO smells a rat, they start an unscheduled audit - as much as the politicians are looting SAA etc, they realize that if something happens on the regulatory side, where we are subject to international scrutiny, the gravy train comes to a very sudden halt, it's in their interest to comply with the minimum standards required
Is there evidence that the cANCer cadres are colluding with the syndicate(s) that have allegedly taken control of SAA Technical?

If the allegations against SAAT are true, that one or more syndicates are controlling the SAAT supply chain, it does not automatically mean that the cANCer cadres looting SAA are colluding with the syndicate(s): these could well be different forms of corruption happening independently where the cadres extract huge amounts of money as it comes in from taxpayers' pockets and the SAAT side would be smaller amounts for Fong Kong parts sustained over a longer period of time where patience is required to make money, both forms of corruption have implications for safety and regulatory compliance but to different extents.

And even if there is collusion, the looting cannot continue to the end of time, so the looters must realise that eventually the SAA gravy plane will literally fall out of the sky and they will make sure they are not onboard when that happens.
 

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Yeah no, no chance I will ever, ever be boarding any SAA or affiliated aircraft. Whether this article is sensationalist, whether it was only a jolt, whatever. People are gambling each and every day by getting on these planes. Tomorrow someone may not be this lucky and the bird will come down crashing due to a failed pirated part, which happened many, many times before.

I'll rather be making my bookings on Kulula and increase my chances of surviving and airline accident.
 
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