Mashaba: I'll leave if DA is taken over by Right Wing elements

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thechamp said:
She has dirt on everyone.
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The DA are in the doldrums. Mixed messages, racial and identity politics, compounded by now-critical shedding-levels of their support base.

What worries me isn't that Zille was their best call to intervention, but their only option, although I think she's supported by other strong people, like Gwen Ngwenya.
 
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LCBXX said:
The DA are in the doldrums. Mixed messages, racial and identity politics, compounded by now-critical shedding-levels of their support base.

What worries me isn't that Zille was their best call to intervention, but their only option, although I think she's supported by other strong people, like Gwen Ngwenya.
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How exactly does she become their only choice though? I just don't understand, is it because she is the one who was able to grow the DA support over multiple elections? What happens if something unfortunate happens to her? The end of the DA?
 
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Interesting, for me the DA has no true leaders anymore - the content of Herman's speech are the type of thinking we need (I don't always agree with some of his Xenophobic views). A more credible, authentic party with leaders needs to step up and become an opposition party.

If you look at how the party handled Zille's previous comments, De Lillle's exit and Troillip - it has become a disgrace.
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Yet you find no fault with his racism?
 
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The end of DA and it’s relevance this year. They will enjoy the back benches like FF+. I certainly will never vote for them ever.

People can say what they want but at the end of the DA, The DA was at its strongest in 2016 under Maimane. Now they have to go back to being some irrelevant organization.

The only thing we need is for Mashaba to convince 5 small parties to form 1 strong party. That party will automatically unseat DA as the official opposition if EFF doesn’t do it

Anyway is there anyone who believe you can correct injustices of legalized oppression without using AA?
 
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The end of DA and it’s relevance this year. They will enjoy the back benches like FF+. I certainly will never vote for them ever.

People can say what they want but at the end of the DA, The DA was at its strongest in 2016 under Maimane. Now they have to go back to being some irrelevant organization.

The only thing we need is for Mashaba to convince 5 small parties to form 1 strong party. That party will automatically unseat DA as the official opposition if EFF doesn’t do it

Anyway is there anyone who believe you can correct injustices of legalized oppression without using AA?
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Yes to your last question. AA is racism. The only way to uplift the whole of SA is to make the cake bigger. Slicing it thinner will not work.
 
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Yes to your last question. AA is racism. The only way to uplift the whole of SA is to make the cake bigger. Slicing it thinner will not work.
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Wise words....

Why does the Government want to take R100 and divide it up... let's rather get everyone R100...

Problem is, if that is their desire, then they in effect limit their belief of the system, that it is at capacity - that we cannot create more jobs, and simply need to divide them up....

This can be seen by the views of the unions with the way they are treating coal... they fail to see that renewables are the future, and we would have a better workforce, as opposed to just coal miners... we could uplift these people and train them and become experts... and ... MAKE THE CAKE BIGGER!
 
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Yes to your last question. AA is racism. The only way to uplift the whole of SA is to make the cake bigger. Slicing it thinner will not work.
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My God the 2 aren’t mutually exclusive. You can have good affirmative action and still grow the economy. Not sure if you desire and equal society or not but you can’t correct Apartheid with absolute nonracial policies.

I can’t wait to come here in 2021 to remind everyone that I told you that Mmusi was not the problem
 
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An open letter of apology to all South Africans

The last 25 years have been a life sentence for the citizens of our democracy. For the role I played, albeit unknowingly, I offer my most profuse apology, writes Herman Mashaba.
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The last 25 years have been a life sentence for the citizens of our democracy. For the role I played, albeit unknowingly, I offer my most profuse apology, writes Herman Mashaba.

Dear citizens of my beloved South Africa,

I write to apologise humbly and profusely to you.

Before I explain my apology, perhaps a little context.

In 1994 I was excited. I had watched the potential of my country barely survive under the heel of the oppressive apartheid government.

I, like many, believed there would be an explosion of potential in our country. I expected to witness entrepreneurs and small business owners flourish under our hard won freedoms.

We had witnessed how an oppressive government had been defeated by the people of our country. It was a magical moment.

With this belief, I voted for the ANC in 1994 and 1999.

For this, I offer my most profound apology.

In my defence, and others like me, I could not have known that I would have contributed to the birth of one of the greatest criminal movements of all time – the ANC of today.

Because with my vote, and many of yours, the ANC has changed from that organisation in which I had placed all my hopes, dreams and aspirations for my country to the criminal enterprise it is today.

25 years into democracy, our beloved country is toiling under the weight of failure, corruption and lawlessness. Our government has been proven to be for sale, auctioned to the highest bidders for beer, whisky, meat and bags of cash.

25 years into democracy, we may as well not have borders in our country. People, drugs and counterfeit goods enter our country without encountering law enforcement. While many are good people, some are criminals, drug dealers and they walk rings around our broken criminal justice system.

25 years into our democracy, the ranks of the unemployed have swelled to nearly 10 million people who cannot have the dignity of providing for their families. In many communities, a young person now has a greater prospect of becoming a drug addict or prisoner, than an accountant or lawyer.

25 years into our democracy, it is our law-abiding citizens who live in fear and the criminals who roam our streets without concern that they will ever face justice.

The reality is that the last 25 years have been a life sentence for the citizens of our democracy. For the role I played, albeit unknowingly, I offer my most profuse apology.

I believe it is time for people who have voted for the ANC in their lives, to come forward and recognise that their votes have been used in a concerted effort to destroy our country.

I believe it is time that those who are considering voting for the ANC again, begin to discuss the idea that doing so would be a deliberate act of sabotage against our country and its people.

Examples of this are not so far-fetched. Think about the state of Zimbabwe right now, and consider that there was a moment in that country where voting Zanu-PF started to hurt its people.

The punishment that is being meted out on the people of Zimbabwe has its origins in a government that received overwhelming support; the kind of support that made it operate without feeling obligated to deliver.

Sound familiar? The ANC has operated for years, one term after another without ever having to fear being voted out. They have done this precisely because they know that they can rely on a majority of South Africans voting them back in, again and again.

Not because of what they have done, but in spite of what they have done.

Like anything in life, it becomes reinforcing. As they get away with it, it becomes more brazen, more abusive, and greedier. The analogy of an abusive partner is not far off the mark. As the abusive partner feels that their victim will never leave them, the abuse gets worse and worse.

The reality is that a life sentence lasts 25 years, and the people of our country are regaining our freedom again. We have now been released and have the opportunity to rehabilitate the shattered pieces of our lives.

I can already predict how I will be attacked for my words, and called names like a "black apologist". Ask yourself this question: who do you think have been the greatest victims of the last 25 years of the ANC? Young, poor black people who the ANC claim to own.

As South Africans who have voted for the ANC before, we have to learn that you do not give your vote to any political party for life. A vote is lent to a political party for five years in a contract between that party and that voter. If the party who received that vote does not deliver with that vote, they have broken a contract.

Would you give more money to someone who has failed to do the last job you paid them for? Of course you wouldn't.

So why treat political parties any differently?

This weekend is the last voter registration weekend before the upcoming national election.

I call upon every young person to take control of a future where the last 25 years of the ANC have become a distant, painful memory of the past.

- Mashaba is executive mayor of the City of Johannesburg.

Disclaimer: News24 encourages freedom of speech and the expression of diverse views. The views of columnists published on News24 are therefore their own and do not necessarily represent the views of News24.
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Why did his view change now? The open letter dates back to 2019-01-25.
 
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This is always the problem with left-right politics. To somebody further along the left everybody, including centrist pragmatists appear to be on the right. To somebody further along the right everybody, including centrist pragmatists appear to be on the left.

And such people are in the gutters of politics if you ask me. I'm not saying Mashaba did not do good. He did, and I respect him for it. He is definitely an honest man. But did he look at the big picture when he formulated these opinions about what is going on in the DA? Or were the sides of the gutter in the way? I of course feel completely justified in saying the same thing about actual far right individuals. It's never the big picture. Just an echo chamber of narrow ideals.

All people who share such ideas are actually saying is: "We all want a fair nation, but later... Let's be racist now, because the others were racist before. Let's get back to this topic when I feel better about history." And I think it's a waste of time. It could easily be an indefinite waste of time. I myself think of the century and more that my great grandparents, grandparents, parents, and still many in my family have obsesses over the wrongs the British did against Afrikaners during the boer war. Meantime my sister married a brit and he's a damned alright oke. As far removed from the royalty who pushed the colonial agenda as can be. They could have all lived happier, healthier, better lives if they did not let history hang over their heads. In the end one must look to the future and apply yourself to the present.

All SA needs is honest leaders like Mashaba to be steadfast, and we would be well on our way to serving the best interests of ALL South Africans. So that ALL South Africans can be their best selves without being held down by dishonest or oppressive policy. He did such amazing work, and the DA helped him to do it.
 
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Why did his view change now? The open letter dates back to 2019-01-25.
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Has he changed his mind though? What I read in that letter is that he's ashamed of having helped get the ANC to the state it currently is, he doesn't profess undying love for the DA or even mention any other party apart from the ANC.
 
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