Mass shooting in Dayton Ohio - Sunday, 4 August 2019

[RonSwanson]

how close are those to the racial ratios of their population.

white 72.4%, black 12.6%, Asian 4.8%, Amerindian and Alaska native 0.9%, native Hawaiian and other Pacific islander 0.2%, other 6.2%, two or more races 2.9% . Latino is estimated at 16.3% (2010 est.) -- CIA world factbook

This suggests quite a disparity

 

[RonSwanson]

CHARLESTON - WHITE MALE
SANDY HOOK - WHITE MALE
JACKSONVILLE - WHITE MALE
COLUMBINE - WHITE MALE
EL PASO - WHITE MALE
LAS VEGAS - WHITE MALE
DAYTON - WHITE MALE
(insert city) - (white male)

Get ready to hear the deflection....

https://www.statista.com/statistics/622887/syphilis-rate-in-the-us-by-ethnicity-and-gender/

 

[rambo919]

Somehow 10 does not sound like a mass shooting to me..... one pistol could do the same in a crowded room. Alarmest spins everywhere, in Japan a crazy set a building on fire with people in it.... no one is calling for fuel control laws because of it.

 

[buka001]

Somehow 10 does not sound like a mass shooting to me..... one pistol could do the same in a crowded room. Alarmest spins everywhere, in Japan a crazy set a building on fire with people in it.... no one is calling for fuel control laws because of it.

Amazing how society has become so desensitised to the violence of mass shootings.

 

[rambo919]

Amazing how society has become so desensitised to the violence of mass shootings.

No desensitization, it's just not large enough to be called a mass shooting, it's a normal shooting by a normal destabilized person. The bar is way too low, anything more than 3 I guess gets called a mass shooting these days because it's more dramatic. Something like the MW2 I think it was airport map.... THAT is a mass shooting.

 

[rietrot]

CHARLESTON - WHITE MALE
SANDY HOOK - WHITE MALE
JACKSONVILLE - WHITE MALE
COLUMBINE - WHITE MALE
EL PASO - WHITE MALE
LAS VEGAS - WHITE MALE
DAYTON - WHITE MALE
(insert city) - (white male)

Get ready to hear the deflection....

Wow you have just proven all white males are killers.

 

[rietrot]

No desensitization, it's just not large enough to be called a mass shooting, it's a normal shooting by a normal destabilized person. The bar is way too low, anything more than 3 I guess gets called a mass shooting these days because it's more dramatic. Something like the MW2 I think it was airport map.... THAT is a mass shooting.

I would think mass shooting is targeting random people in an open area, doesn't really matter how successful it was.


Wiki say no real definition, but 4 or more.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_shooting

 

[rambo919]

I would think mass shooting is targeting random people in an open area, doesn't really matter how successful it was.


Wiki say no real definition, but 4 or more.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_shooting

Decoupling it from success causes a semantic change in it's meaning, also wikipedia is woke as f-k and not to be trusted these days.

 

[krycor]

Most definitions say 4+ deaths..

Keep in mind the perpetrators are typically non-professional so in an open area there are 3-5x times more injuries.

 

[buka001]

No desensitization, it's just not large enough to be called a mass shooting, it's a normal shooting by a normal destabilized person. The bar is way too low, anything more than 3 I guess gets called a mass shooting these days because it's more dramatic. Something like the MW2 I think it was airport map.... THAT is a mass shooting.

The fact that shooting 10 innocent people enjoying themselves at a nightclub has become "normal" to you, shows just how much the violence of mass shootings has desensitised people.

 

[rambo919]

The fact that shooting 10 innocent people enjoying themselves at a nightclub has become "normal" to you, shows just how much the violence of mass shootings has desensitised people.

Actually the opposite, people have become too sensitized. Violence is a normal part of life for most of the population of the world, always has been. In more civilized areas this has been minimized and people, like you, have come to think of the synthetic calm state of their lives as normal because of their general ignorance of both the current state of the world and general global history.

China as example centuries ago once reached the state of over-civiliztion and had a golden age, then they became delusional enough to think themselves innately superior and could not understand how the barbarians ended up destroying their "perfect" system. Rome had the same pattern and the "West" is currently repeating it, every cycle is different but really the same.

 

[MEIOT]

Most definitions say 4+ deaths..

Keep in mind the perpetrators are typically non-professional so in an open area there are 3-5x times more injuries.

Death shouldn't be a hinging factor to define the term - aftermath of some gun-related injuries can be worse than death.
Death and/or injuries define it well enough.

 

[greg0205]

Somehow 10 does not sound like a mass shooting to me..... one pistol could do the same in a crowded room. Alarmest spins everywhere, in Japan a crazy set a building on fire with people in it.... no one is calling for fuel control laws because of it.

Nine dead, twenty seven injured... that’s thirty six shot... less than 60 seconds.

Here’s what the magazine the shooter had on his rifle looked like:

 

[rambo919]

Nine dead, twenty seven injured... that’s thirty six shot... less than 60 seconds.

Here’s what the magazine the shooter had on his rifle looked like:

Which is a lot more than 10..... I also admit that no civilian weapon should have a friggin barrel mag if that makes you happy.

 

[rambo919]

Death shouldn't be a hinging factor to define the term - aftermath of some gun-related injuries can be worse than death.
Death and/or injuries define it well enough.

It's a matter of accuracy (pardon the pun), one bullet can theoretically cause 3 or 4 injuries.... was still just one shot. My point is that these days people over-react any time a gun goes off accidentally nvm someone shoots someone on purpose.

 

[ponder]

My point is that these days people over-react any time a gun goes off accidentally nvm someone shoots someone on purpose.

That implies a defect, if it goes off under human control when not intended to it's negligence.

 

[greg0205]

Which is a lot more than 10..... I also admit that no civilian weapon should have a friggin barrel mag if that makes you happy.

Here’s the thing, most gun safety advocates want a waiting period, a national registry, proper licensing with red flag notices and a buy-back of semiauto weapons you can clip that barrel mag onto.

The 2A folk have reduced it to “they’ll take your guns”, and folk believe it...

...and nearly 70% of Americans who want sensible gun laws are being held hostage by that minority.

Fun fact: In 1994 Bill Clinton banned semiauto weapons. It lead to a 43% reduction in mass shootings. Republicans allowed the law to lapse in 2004 and shootings went up 230%.

 

[Unhappy438]

Which is a lot more than 10..... I also admit that no civilian weapon should have a friggin barrel mag if that makes you happy.

It doesnt make the NRA happy which in turn makes the Republicans unhappy because then they stand to lose money. All civs should have barrel mags you freedom hating lib.

 

[Pitbull]

Here’s the thing, most gun safety advocates want a waiting period, a national registry, proper licensing with red flag notices and a buy-back of semiauto weapons you can clip that barrel mag onto.

The 2A folk have reduced it to “they’ll take your guns”, and folk believe it...

...and nearly 70% of Americans who want sensible gun laws are being held hostage by that minority.

Fun fact: In 1994 Bill Clinton banned semiauto weapons. It lead to a 43% reduction in mass shootings. Republicans allowed the law to lapse in 2004 and shootings went up 230%.

Just curious,

Of all the people owning guns in America, people owning bump-stocks, barrel Mags and the likes, How many of those people that own it actually goes on mass shootings? This is the same old argument time in and time out. If one guys owns a panel Van of which millions of other people own it. Do we now ban the Panel Van because someone used it to kill people with and making it easier as opposed to a Vespa scooter?

Now you will say: But cars have a use, it's not intended for killing, which I agree. I then ask you what defends you against a gun, and you will say a gun. Full circle and we start again. Unfortunately as long as there are guns of all calibers and fire-rates, people will need similar weapons to defend against it. Because a hand full of morons are too stupid to blow their own heads off and would rather kill 4+ people to get a statement across now voids all reason and people's rights to protect themselves from such morons?

 

[rambo919]

Here’s the thing, most gun safety advocates want a waiting period, a national registry, proper licensing with red flag notices and a buy-back of semiauto weapons you can clip that barrel mag onto.

The 2A folk have reduced it to “they’ll take your guns”, and folk believe it...

...and nearly 70% of Americans who want sensible gun laws are being held hostage by that minority.

Fun fact: In 1994 Bill Clinton banned semiauto weapons. It lead to a 43% reduction in mass shootings. Republicans allowed the law to lapse in 2004 and shootings went up 230%.

It's a bit more complicated than that especially with the common voter not understanding what a semi-auto actually is, typically they cannot properly distinguish between automatic and semi-automatic. This skews any study unless there was an explicit explanation involved at some point, it also affect adherence patterns to gun laws.

BTW it was not a total semi-auto ban but selective, this happened specifically because of public misconceptions.

Also you will have a tough time proving cause and effect because of the overall nutso rate skyrocketing in the last few decades, gun violence is more likely a symptom of a much larger problem that is growing.