Mass shooting in Dayton Ohio - Sunday, 4 August 2019

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OrbitalDawn said:
This stuff is standard fare on Fox News and the online right, and has been for a long time. He's just the loudest and latest airhorn for it.
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I came here to speak about how these mass shootings has divided the American people more than ever, and lo and behold I see you spouting the same exact MSM nonsense.

Talking about ILLEGAL immigration is not the equivalent to inciting white supremacists to go shoot up a bunch of innocents.

And this is why the overarching conversation ends here, and no real solutions will ever be found, because both sides are attacking and defending at the same time.
 
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https://www.foxnews.com/politics/democratic-party-fundraises-off-mass-shootings

The DNC sent an email to supporters on Monday, signed by former Rep. Gabby Giffords, encouraging donors to “split” a donation of $10 to $200 between the DNC and Giffords’ PAC.

“Friend,” the email begins, “... We can’t afford to wait another day, or for another massacre to happen in our country, for lawmakers to address this. Yet the defenders of the status quo—the gun manufacturing lobby and every single politician who is paid to defend it—will tell you that horrific acts of violence are beyond our control.”
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Totally disgusting.
 
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Emjay said:
I came here to speak about how these mass shootings has divided the American people more than ever, and lo and behold I see you spouting the same exact MSM nonsense.

Talking about ILLEGAL immigration is not the equivalent to inciting white supremacists to go shoot up a bunch of innocents.

And this is why the overarching conversation ends here, and no real solutions will ever be found, because both sides are attacking and defending at the same time.
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"Talking about illegal immigration" is not the equivalent of perpetually screaming that there's an invasion under way. Including on ads where there's no distinction drawn at all.

Facebook let Trump's campaign run over 2,000 ads referring to immigration as an “invasion”

Fox News also doesn't distinguish.

You don't need to read the El Paso killer’s manifesto. Just turn on Fox News.

Those ideas, once again drenched in blood, were at one time largely restricted to fringe forums populated by hardcore white supremacists and conspiracy theorists. But in recent years, you could have easily heard them recited while watching a random night of Fox News’ prime-time lineup.

Fox personalities have worked to mainstream the racist conspiracy theory that non-white immigrants threaten to “replace” white American populations. Hosts Tucker Carlson and Laura Ingraham, whose shows regularly revolve around the purported dangers immigration poses to the cultural fabric, have been particularly taken with that argument, and they are not subtle in its promotion.
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“Your views on immigration will have zero impact and zero influence on a House dominated by Democrats who want to replace you, the American voters, with newly amnestied citizens and an ever increasing number of chain migrants,” Ingraham told her audience shortly before the 2018 midterms.

“It's not a conspiracy theory, it's happening in public,” Carlson has argued. “[Democrats’] political success does not depend on good policies, but on demographic replacement, and they'll do anything to make sure it happens.”
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The Fox host regularly warns of the dire consequences immigration poses to the country. He has said that immigration “is absolutely destroying America” and will“change this country completely and forever”; argued that “we’re being invaded” by migrants in a way that could trigger a national “collapse”; and claimed that “we are importing people from places whose values are simply antithetical to ours,” putting the nation’s ability to “survive” at risk.
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They're not talking about illegal immigrants, they're saying the *existence and presence* of brown immigrants is an existential threat to the country. They say this day in, day out, night after night.

Even if they were talking about illegal immigrants it would still be an utterly vile way to speak about human beings.
 
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OrbitalDawn said:
"Talking about illegal immigration" is not the equivalent of perpetually screaming that there's an invasion under way. Including on ads where there's no distinction drawn at all.

Facebook let Trump's campaign run over 2,000 ads referring to immigration as an “invasion”

Fox News also doesn't distinguish.

You don't need to read the El Paso killer’s manifesto. Just turn on Fox News.







They're not talking about illegal immigrants, they're saying the *existence and presence* of brown immigrants is an existential threat to the country. They say this day in, day out, night after night.

Even if they were talking about illegal immigrants it would still be an utterly vile way to speak about human beings.
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Yip. Interesting comparison between Trump's rhetoric and the phrases used in the manifesto.

Stochastic terror.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1158544296469049345
 
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buka001 said:
Yip. Interesting comparison between Trump's rhetoric and the phrases used in the manifesto.

Stochastic terror.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1158544296469049345
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Blaming anyone who just remotely disagree with open borders is ridiculous and just shuts the conversation down before it even starts.

Obama and Joe are/were both against illegal immigration. You guys are shifting the overton window to the extreme.
 
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rietrot said:
Blaming anyone who just remotely disagree with open borders is ridiculous and just shuts the conversation down before it even starts.

Obama and Joe are/were both against illegal immigration. You guys are shifting the overton window to the extreme.
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Ahh you see that is where you go wrong. I am not arguing for open borders.

Characterising these people as invaders and saying they will collapse society is what is wrong. You can talk about illegal immigration and measures on how to curb it, without demonising and referring to the people as an infestation.
 
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buka001 said:
Ahh you see that is where you go wrong. I am not arguing for open borders.

Characterising these people as invaders and saying they will collapse society is what is wrong. You can talk about illegal immigration and measures on how to curb it, without demonising and referring to the people as an infestation.
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Citation needed.
 
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buka001 said:
Ahh you see that is where you go wrong. I am not arguing for open borders.

Characterising these people as invaders and saying they will collapse society is what is wrong. You can talk about illegal immigration and measures on how to curb it, without demonising and referring to the people as an infestation.
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So is it wrong to point out the cultural shift and that some border towns are turning Spanish, or to crime committed be illegals like human trafficking, or any of the other problems that poverty brings?
 
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rambo919 said:
Put differently the problem is not the gun violence, that's just a symptom. Banning guns to stop gun violence is like using painkillers to cure cancer.
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Poor analogy. Sure it's a combination of factors, but the fact that guns are commonplace is a major contributing factor. Just because there are multiple factors doesn't mean you ignore the individual factors.
 
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Daruk said:
Poor analogy. Sure it's a combination of factors, but the fact that guns are commonplace is a major contributing factor. Just because there are multiple factors doesn't mean you ignore the individual factors.
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It's a minor factor. Using another analogy, blaming guns for violence is like blaming spoons for fat people. Just because it's there does not mean it will be used irresponsibly.

Guns have been commonplace in murica for a hundred years.... "mass shootings" were not commonplace as they appear to be now until relatively recently because society was more healthy.
 
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rambo919 said:
It's a minor factor. Using another analogy, blaming guns for violence is like blaming spoons for fat people. Just because it's there does not mean it will be used irresponsibly.
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Banning spoons and forcing everyone to eat with chopsticks will solve the obesity epidemic.
 
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Tim donate-if-you-support-my-work Pool had this to say:

 
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buka001 said:
He has been very quiet about the other shootings.

Wonder why ...
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Because "people like you" and the MSM will more than take care of it? ;)

EDIT: Unless you've already watched the video before I posted it, you haven't even watched the clip yet.
 
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Sl8er said:
Because "people like you" and the MSM will more than take care of it? ;)

EDIT: Unless you've already watched the video before I posted it, you haven't even watched the clip yet.
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Of course.

Just like his friend Andy. When El Paso shooting was in full swing, he was talking about the dangers of someone vandalising a car 3 years ago. When he refers to the El Paso shooter he says the shooter allegedly left a manifesto. But this guy, full blown Antifa member, because he liked one tweet related to Antifa.

See the difference?

MSM is talking about the Dayton shooter. His leftist views have been widely broadcast on CNN and elsewhere. Funny how with this guy nobody is trying to disown him as a leftist or run interference that he is not a leftist. Everyone has called him out for his actions and he has been widely condemned. His actions seem to be more indicative of his misogynistic beliefs, rather than carrying out the shooting in the name of a leftist ideology. He killed his sister first. Read the story from his ex girlfriend.

The El Paso shooter? Oh no not really his fault, he was pushed by leftists into doing it. He is actually not right wing or racist. It is not his fault. People have even intimated taht why blame him, its the fault of immigrants that he shot 20 people. His manifesto where he specifically details why he is shooting and his motivations is not to be taken seriously ...

People are even going so far as to say it is a false flag, fake etc etc.
 
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