Mass shootings not a new problem in SA, but they're on the rise - experts

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As South Africans reel in anger and shock after a recent spate of mass shootings in public spaces, experts say mass shootings are an old ongoing phenomenon, but acknowledge that incidents are on the rise.

According to the Institute for Security Studies (ISS), mass murders - the murder of three or more people in a single incident - increased by almost 50% between 2017/18 and 2019/20.

Speaking at the seminar the ISS hosted on Friday, experts unpacked some of the drivers of mass shootings and discussed what could be done to prevent them.

Irvin Kinnes from UCT's Centre for Criminology said one of the common features among mass shootings was that perpetrators intend to kill.

Perpetrators use automatic rifles, don't steal from their victims and often are groups of men who are experienced, he said.

 

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Yes, we knew it. Just the ANC and their supporters denied it. Also, the ISS definition is wrong in classifying it. SA probably has more than1000 times the mass shooting rate than the USA.
 

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BAN ALL GUNS, REPEAL THE 2ND AMMENDME... Oh right, SA already has an extensive (and tyranical) gun licensing regime and yet somehow we still have mass shootings.
 

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Gun control is a myth that does not work. But, it does make it easier for a communist government..... to achieve its aims against law abiding citizens. Proven over and over and over.
 

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BAN ALL GUNS, REPEAL THE 2ND AMMENDME... Oh right, SA already has an extensive (and tyranical) gun licensing regime and yet somehow we still have mass shootings.
so people kill people, guns just make it easier and simpler?
so whats the solution? without it being to autocratic and dictatorial?
 

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Gun control is indeed a myth.... tell me over 1000 military bases in 150 countries is not completely out of control.
 

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American mass killings are usually committed by people with some kind of social injustice gripe. From the OP article South African killings seem to be committed by professionals.
 

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American mass killings are usually committed by people with some kind of social injustice gripe. From the OP article South African killings seem to be committed by professionals.
I watched this Carte Blanche program last night...It was said the major difference between our mass gun shootings and the ones in the states?

In the states the bulk of the shootings are done using a legally licenced firearm...

I dont think the ones here are done by pros...
its just so easy to get away with crime that any idiot can do this now...
And more and more will try...

 

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so people kill people, guns just make it easier and simpler?
so whats the solution? without it being to autocratic and dictatorial?
Licence the owner and register the firearm.

Getting a gun licence shouldn't be anything more complex than:
1) Showing you don't have a criminal record. (Any convictions for contact crime (theft, rape, assault, murder) disqualify immediately)
2) Showing you can hit a target at a reasonable distance.
3) Showing that you understand firearm law, specifically when you are allowed to use said boom stick.

Gun registration should be similar to buying a car. You take the gun you want to buy and the form with the previous owner's consent to buy it. The firearm control officer then makes sure the firearm's registration number matches the one on the system for the previous owner, and then transfers the firearm to you. Then every 5 years, you just have to rock up to the police station and the firearm officer checks whether the serial number of the guns you have still match the ones on the system.

That is absolutely it.

With that in place, in a violent country like SA more law abiding citizens will buy guns to defend themselves. Which makes it orders magnitude more dangerous to commit a mass shooting.
 
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I watched this Carte Blanche program last night...It was said the major difference between our mass gun shootings and the ones in the states?

In the states the bulk of the shootings are done using a legally licenced firearm...

I dont think the ones here are done by pros...
its just so easy to get away with crime that any idiot can do this now...
And more and more will try...
The other difference between our shootings and the USA is that our shooters mostly get away with it. Which just seems to highlight our dismal law enforcement.
 

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The other difference between our shootings and the USA is that our shooters mostly get away with it. Which just seems to highlight our dismal law enforcement.
Also, the USA's has been converted into a pill-popping culture.

If you read the liability notices, on some of those psych-drug package inserts, you see warnings like may cause anxiety, aggression, and suicidal tendency.
 

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The other difference between our shootings and the USA is that our shooters mostly get away with it. Which just seems to highlight our dismal law enforcement.
Well, when you have ex presidents who steal and receive no punishment then why the sausages not??!!
:laugh:
 

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Now the real problem we are facing is, The opressed whites seldom venture out into public. The mass shootings are aimed almost entirely at the other races that makes up the demogrphics of this country. Guys, I am running out of Popcorn...
 

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I watched this Carte Blanche program last night...It was said the major difference between our mass gun shootings and the ones in the states?

In the states the bulk of the shootings are done using a legally licenced firearm...

I dont think the ones here are done by pros...
its just so easy to get away with crime that any idiot can do this now...
And more and more will try...

I watched carte blanche monkeypox episode.
They said it is not a gay disease.
Now all of their journalism is suspect.
To me.

Gun grabbers gonna try get harsher laws implemented.
This video has some good points.
 
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