Mbeki's warning as DA scrambles: Don't shatter SA's dream of non-racialism

[Jopie Fourie]

"I have understood from the statements made by the various leaders of the Democratic Alliance [DA], including Mr Mmusi Maimane, that the current developments within the DA have to do with the continuing challenge of racism in our country."

So says former president Thabo Mbeki (in a typically academic fashion) who has now added his voice to commentary around the political crisis unfolding in South Africa's second-largest political party.

Mbeki made the statement after a week of major disruption and upheaval in the official opposition which saw the likes of Johannesburg Mayor Herman Mashaba and, most recently, DA federal chairperson and federal leader Athol Trollip and Mmusi Maimane, respectively, bow out from the blue party.

Mbeki's warning as DA scrambles: Don't shatter SA's dream of non-racialism | News24

Former president Thabo Mbeki has said he understands that current developments within the DA have to do with the ''continuing challenge of racism in our country''.

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[Jopie Fourie]

If "non-racialism" is the ANC's idea of oppressing white people with laws, courts, commissions and more, then they can keep it for themselves. I have no interest in their idea of non-racialism.

 

[MrGray]

The DA was originally the only party that espoused the principal of non-racialism. Their problems started when they abandoned it. I don’t think many people have a clue what non-racialism means. It does not mean artificially created “diversity”, it does not mean BEE, it does not mean racial quotas.

 

[Sneeky]

Thanks Thabo 'what corruption, and lets not build any power stations' Mbeki.

Thanks, really.

 

[Jopie Fourie]

Thanks Thabo 'what corruption, and lets not build any power stations' Mbeki.

Thanks, really.

You forgot - Thabo "HIV does not cause Aids" Mbeki and killed 300,000+ people "accidentally" in the process.

 

[Sneeky]

You forgot - Thabo "HIV does not cause Aids" Mbeki and killed 300,000+ people "accidentally" in the process.

Dammit, the beetroot and spinach burnt my brain.

Thabo should really just stfu and enjoy his spoils.

 

[marine1]

Dream has turned into a nightmare

 

[3WA]

You forgot - Thabo "HIV does not cause Aids" Mbeki and killed 300,000+ people "accidentally" in the process.

Do you miss those 300,000 people?

 

[Jopie Fourie]

Do you miss those 300,000 people?

Because I do not miss them does not mean they have not been murdered in cold blood. Neither does it justify the ANC's complicity in this mass-murder.

 

[3WA]

Because I do not miss them does not mean they have not been murdered in cold blood. Neither does it justify the ANC's complicity in this mass-murder.

They made their choice. Anyone after the late 90s (and that’s being generous) knew that if they don’t wrap it before they tap it, they gon get the AIDS. Hardly cold-blooded murder.

I've always wondered about Mbeki's ARV policy. I reckon he did the cost:benefit analysis of paying for ARVs and decided rather not.

 

[Jopie Fourie]

They made their choice. Anyone after the late 90s (and that’s being generous) knew that if they don’t wrap it before they tap it, they gon get the AIDS. Hardly cold-blooded murder.

I've always wondered about Mbeki's ARV policy. I reckon he did the cost:benefit analysis of paying for ARVs and decided rather not.

This would come down straight to a gross violation of basic human rights and cold-blooded, premeditated murder. There is in any event a strong case for the International court to intervene, but it being swept under the carpet by the world. Like I said before, they are lucky the world has changed to protect them for now. Earlier, the ANC would not have been this lucky.

In any event, I agree with you, this was about money. If they had to save the people, there would have been less money for the leaders to loot.

 

[3WA]

This would come down straight to a gross violation of basic human rights and cold-blooded, premeditated murder. There is in any event a strong case for the International court to intervene, but it being swept under the carpet by the world. Like I said before, they are lucky the world has changed to protect them for now. Earlier, the ANC would not have been this lucky.

Plenty of countries let their citizens die rather than paying their medical bills.

 

[Jopie Fourie]

Plenty of countries let their citizens die rather than paying their medical bills.

Please show me the link of any other government refusing medical care to HIV infected people. Or even just one denying HIV causes aids or death and tell citizens to take beetroot...

 

[3WA]

Please show me the link of any other government refusing medical care to HIV infected people. Or even just one denying HIV causes aids or death and tell citizens to take beetroot...

That's not what I said. I'm saying, it's not murder or human rights violation for government to refuse to pay for medical treatment. This is the case for many diseases besides HIV.
For whatever reason, HIV gets special treatment, because governments have an interest in keeping population infection rates down, but in many (most?) HIV infections, individual choice and behaviour causes the infection.

 

[SAguy]

They made their choice. Anyone after the late 90s (and that’s being generous) knew that if they don’t wrap it before they tap it, they gon get the AIDS. Hardly cold-blooded murder.

Except for where education is so bad that people didn't actually know that they should wrap, or victims of rape, or innocent woman/men who didn't know their partners were cheating, or innocent unborn children whose risk of perinatal transmission could be reduced by ARVs.

Easy to make blanket statements when you don't try look too closely at the individual circumstances.

 

[3WA]

Except for where education is so bad that people didn't actually know that they should wrap, or victims of rape, or innocent woman/men who didn't know their partners were cheating, or innocent unborn children whose risk of perinatal transmission could be reduced by ARVs.

Easy to make blanket statements when you don't try look too closely at the individual circumstances.

Yes, the exceptions exist and I should have excluded them in my original comment. Proportionately, they would be in a minority though.

I don’t agree about the bad education. South Africa was largely successful in getting the message out there even before Mbeki became president. People knew this thing existed.

 

[Sneeky]

The cadre deployment and looting of SOE's has done far more damage to this country and our population than any of Thabo's brain fart Aids theories.
All the money funneled into Eskom/SAA/Denel/Transnet/etc over the years could have been put to so much better use rather than enriching a few elite.

 

[Sneeky]

Just the last bailout, R59bn!
Imagine what could have been done with that money were it not for poor leadership! Houses/healthcare/etc

Thats just the last one.
I can remember that other poser Alec Erwin as public enterprises minister almost a decade ago trying to convince us and the global aluminium companies (with regards to coega) there was no issue with power generation problem. Then lo and behold loadshedding.

 

[thestaggy]

Go preach at Luthuli House. The ANC is at the epicentre of racial division in SA.

 

[BBSA]

Pot calling the kettle black