Mboweni OK with his Afrikaners

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Johannesburg - Any white male - more so if he's an Afrikaner - who says anything about affirmative action is now quickly relegated to being irrelevant, writes Finweek Editor Rikus Delport in this week's edition.
He writes: "If you're someone who belonged to a previously privileged class your views don't count in the current debate.

"However, it's different if someone like the Governor of the SA Reserve Bank, a former Labour Minister and a respected figure in ANC circles, vents his views, especially if he says something positive about whites in the workplace and - believe it or not - about Afrikaners in particular.
"And that's precisely what happened when Governor Tito Mboweni spoke recently at a breakfast session in Johannesburg. When describing the dilemma the Bank is facing - black people who seek greener pastures shortly after being appointed and trained, his words were: 'I get so upset... I'm stopping this recruitment of black people. I'm okay with my Afrikaners. They stay and do the work and become experts.'
And that's to the detriment of SA's economy and empowerment. Because how can you empower a person if he can't learn from experts? And due to their previously privileged positions, it's the whites who have that expertise."
Time to drop the race issue
He says it's disturbing to learn that research shows that nearly 1m people, many of them experts, have left SA over the past 10 years - mainly due to affirmative action and crime. "Especially if you remember that many of them had the potential to make a contribution to our economy and also create jobs."
"What Mboweni said is by implication applicable to most whites and not just Afrikaners: they're committed to the success of SA and they're prepared to work hard, even if opportunities for promotion are limited. But hasn't the time come for us to drop the race question?"

http://www.fin24.co.za/articles/default/display_article.aspx?Nav=ns&ArticleID=1518-1786_2008394
 
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I'm glad to see that someone who has some influential power within our economy, making such a statement.

It indicates that there is at least a trend developing where the thinking pattern of us as young white South Africans to pay for what ever happened in the past, eventhough we're not directly to blame for it, is becoming boring.

Apartheid ministers are seeking forgiveness and washing feet, etc. People are reconciling....

If only the rest of the government officials can drop the "blame it on apartheid" excuse, accept responsibility and focus on establishing a united "nation" in SA. Doing so, we can minimise most of the racial issues.

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I'm glad to see that someone who has some influential power within our economy, making such a statement.

It indicates that there is at least a trend developing where the thinking pattern of us as young white South Africans to pay for what ever happened in the past, eventhough we're not directly to blame for it, is becoming boring.

Apartheid ministers are seeking forgiveness and washing feet, etc. People are reconciling....

If only the rest of the government officials can drop the "blame it on apartheid" excuse, accept responsibility and focus on establishing a united "nation" in SA. Doing so, we can minimise most of the racial issues.

Opinions?

Are you really sure AA and BEE's stated aim is really the true aim though? What if it's just disguised cronyism? Doesn't seem entirely impropable.
 

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Mboweni is awsome. He was spoken of almost as a living legend by the Ecos Dept at UCT
He also also spoken about the grime in pretoria and people playing soccer outside the Union Buildings.
He has recently spoken out against the clothing import quotas between China and us
At a couple of MPC statements ago, he also spoke out about the informalisation of the SA economy (Like how we are letting people sell stuff in stalls on the side of the road that we cannot tax. And if we let this lie now, we will be faced with the problem of people refusing to be taxed in the future)
 
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I've always said that Trevor Manuel should be president. Maybe then Tito Mboweni as vice-president?
These finance guys know their stuff.
 

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Think the difference is that these people specifically are technocrats and actually know what they're doing, as opposed to a lot of the government who are purely political appointees.
 

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ajax : I couldn't agree more. It is the reason I like Mbeki

Best would be Trevor. Problem is that he has publically said he wouldn't due to the pressure it would put on his family

Not sure about the status of Mboweni. He would be a really good president though
 

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Are you really sure AA and BEE's stated aim is really the true aim though? What if it's just disguised cronyism? Doesn't seem entirely impropable.

Well Syndyre, you have a point there. Maybe it could be viewed as a disguised cronyism. The again, so is this publisized "Black Elite" forum they wanted to start as well. It's things like this that holds this country back from actually shedding the past and looking towards the future.

ajax : I couldn't agree more. It is the reason I like Mbeki

Best would be Trevor. Problem is that he has publically said he wouldn't due to the pressure it would put on his family

Not sure about the status of Mboweni. He would be a really good president though

And Strike, yes Mbeki is actualy doing a good job..... economic wise. If you look at some of the latest developments:

1. The signing of trade agreements with Russia. We will now be able to use their Space facilities to launch better communication satelites in order to upgrade our broadcasting system for the 2010 world cup.
2. The signing of the 3 nation league between SA, Brazil and India. We are all growing economies who are tired of waiting for funds from the IMF and the rest of the G8 countries, thus, taking the initiative in our own hands in order to grow. And now look where we are... We stand a good chance of sitting on the UN security council, thanks to the backing of Russia and India. We are definitely getting there.

One more thing, Trevor Manuel is doing an exceptionally good job. Where in this country's history (I might stand to be corrected here) have we had a surplus of funds after every tax year since recently?
But back at the ranch....crime, etc are still issues that he needs to look at.
 
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The only thing I want is that Mr Showerhead does not become El Presidente.
 

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:) @ the article.
I would like to thank captian obvious and my mom.
 

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I'd vote for him. Perhaps economists just understand the effects of policy on the real world, where not everyone has a job that allows them to vote themselves a salary increase.
 

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Just for completeness, according to the paper clip I was emailed (sourced from FMFOX), his full comment was :

I have sought to recruit many competent black people, and no sooner have we recruited and trained them than they leave. I get so upset...I am stopping this recruitment of black people. I am okay with my Afrikaners. They stay and do the work, and become experts.
 

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ajax : I couldn't agree more. It is the reason I like Mbeki
Best would be Trevor. Problem is that he has publically said he wouldn't due to the pressure it would put on his family

Not sure about the status of Mboweni. He would be a really good president though

Better the devil you know than the one you don't, then again the one you do not know must be better than the one you despise as human being, the devils "God" and master himself, Mr el Presidenta to be....... ZUMA? The Zulu that sold out his people and morals for cheap sex and money!
 

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All empty talk - us WAMS are still the most loathed species in the country. Just dare to ask for tender docs for an ANC government project... Or dare to ask for application forms for a vacancy - they are promised but never arrives.
 

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Students draw attention to race classification

About 11 white students painted their faces black in a bid to be classified as Africans at the Union Buildings in Pretoria on Thursday.

The group, led by AfriForum CEO Callie Kriel, handed a memorandum to a representative of the President's office, Elisa Ndlovu.

Kriel said the students' tongue-in-cheek action carried a very serious message, namely that the government was becoming ludicrously obsessed with race.

As part of the memorandum, the students each completed the Department of Labour's EEA1 form, in which they classified themselves as "African", and which they submitted to the president for certification as being correct by him.

On the form, to be filled in by employers or their employees as part of the Department of Labour's employment equity reports, people were given a choice of being either "African", "Coloured", "Indian" or "White".

The students also appealed to all who were born in South Africa to classify themselves as African when completing the EEA1 form.

One of the group, Quinten Campbell (20), said the action was intended to help fight discrimination in all forms.

When handing over the memorandum, Ernst Roets, a Students' Representative Council member said: "We want to demonstrate by means of this action that we are neither prepared to allow racial ideology to deprive us of our African identity, nor reduce us to second-class citizens in the country of our birth."

Upon receiving the memorandum, Ndlovu said: "I can't comment as I don't know the contents of the memorandum."

Kriel said the disadvantage of race classifications was that it perpetuated racial consciousness. "I don't deny that inequalities need to be addressed, but the method used is not correct".

He said these efforts should focus on socio-economic factors rather than race. -- Sapa

http://www.mg.co.za/articlepage.aspx?area=/breaking_news/breaking_news__national/&articleid=285900
 

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DTI to curb abuse of BEE policies

The department of trade and industry (DTI) says it has developed strategies
October 05, 2006, 16:45
The department of trade and industry (DTI) says it has developed strategies to minimise the fraudulently use of black economic empowerment (BEE) policies to win preferential tenders from government.

This emerged at a conference in Cape Town under the auspices of the Western Cape Promotion Agency (Wesgro).

Janeez Hafizulla, the DTI deputy director, says they are working with the justice department to root out entrepreneurs guilty of the practice known as 'fronting'.

“It's already considered to be a fraudulent activity, no matter what level of fronting you actually finding… whether it's just having your maid actually being a shareholder on the certificate it is still fronting… They have already started investigating certain activities that result from fronting,” said Hafizulla.
http://www.sabcnews.com/politics/government/0,2172,136128,00.html
Still no record of affirmative action achievements
July 18, 2006, 16:45
The Public Service Commission has found that most government departments have little idea of their affirmative action achievements or staff profiles. It says in a report departments are unable to effectively implement affirmative action due to not having basic information in place.

The commission has found that only 47% of national departments keep track of their staff composition. At provincial level, less than 50% of departments conduct employee profiling:sick: . It is thought that 79% of state department staff is black and 21% white.

South Africa may meanwhile be losing millions of rands through companies who use black partners in order to get government Black Economic Empowerment (BEE) contracts. Bonke Dumisa, the CEO of the Durban Chamber of Commerce, says fronting events the progress of BEE and stops the transfer of skills to black people.
http://www.sabcnews.com/economy/labour/0,2172,131463,00.html
 
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