Media "walk out" as WC Organiser fail to arrive on time

[xtermin8or]

LOL, is that what you posted [had already been dealt with by the time I read your post], I stick by what I posted - I really do hope that guavamint gets its act together and that 2010 happens for SA, but realistically time has already run out which is an indication of a serious lack of control top-down, and that's when 'irregularities' have free reign over money...

Anyways, we have different opinions, I can tollerate your opinions even if you cannot tollerate my opinions .

you try to hide behind saying that you hope they can pull it off, and at the same time say - time has run out - I don't get you

anyway - there is no evidence that the money will be stolen as it were - so stop alleging that people are corrupt before you have any evidence - that is the worst kind of bigotry - and now I will probably get another warning

 

[Syndyre]

you try to hide behind saying that you hope they can pull it off, and at the same time say - time has run out - I don't get you

anyway - there is no evidence that the money will be stolen as it were - so stop alleging that people are corrupt before you have any evidence - that is the worst kind of bigotry - and now I will probably get another warning

If you look at past performance and situations its not that unreasonable to then extrapolate this pattern to predict future occurrences.

Whether that is justified in this instance is another issue, but its not bigotry, it would be bigotry if it wasn't based on objective facts at all.

 

[xtermin8or]

so where is your objective fact - I have posted many times before and am not going to go through it all again - we have hosted some of the biggest events in the world - and they have gone off smoothly - with no money being stolen through fraud or corruption - so on what do you base your 'facts' - once again i put it to you that all the negativity around the WC2010 comes from a certain sector of the population hellbent on discrediting the current government - because they still can not accept the change to democracy -

 

[xtermin8or]

Nope, but your reply merely reinforces what I posted about you being intollerant of opinions other than your own.

Review my previous posts on the 2010 subject, you will find that I do support 2010 in SA, but the sands of time are burying any chance of it happening in SA and quite possibly Africa as whole in the future.

oh, okay I am tolerant, and accept that that is your point of view - but I thought we were debating a point - and i just don't share your point of view - because I believe your point of view is wrong

If you do support 2010 - it doesn't help dooming the event and people organising it before you see the end result - if the WC is a dismal failure - I will be the first one to puiblicly admit that I was wrong

 

[Syndyre]

so where is your objective fact - I have posted many times before and am not going to go through it all again - we have hosted some of the biggest events in the world - and they have gone off smoothly - with no money being stolen through fraud or corruption - so on what do you base your 'facts' - once again i put it to you that all the negativity around the WC2010 comes from a certain sector of the population hellbent on discrediting the current government - because they still can not accept the change to democracy -

I was referring to governmental corruption generally which does seem to be rather rife, it's just as bad and worse in plenty of other countries sure but it still doesn't mean it doesn't happen.

I'm sure there are plenty of people that are hellbent on discrediting the government for various reasons, whatever they are. But there are also plenty of people, me included, that fervently hope it will be a resounding success, but fail to see much concrete action, i.e. not planning, taking place. and as such have begun to doubt whether it will all come together, although I do think there is still time to get it off the ground if everybody works all out and I hope they will.

 

[icyrus]

so where is your objective fact - I have posted many times before and am not going to go through it all again - we have hosted some of the biggest events in the world - and they have gone off smoothly - with no money being stolen through fraud or corruption - so on what do you base your 'facts' - once again i put it to you that all the negativity around the WC2010 comes from a certain sector of the population hellbent on discrediting the current government - because they still can not accept the change to democracy -

You cry for others to give you facts and then you make statements like this?

 

[xtermin8or]

@ icyrus - the lack of facts being provided leads me to believe that this is the reason for the negativity

 

[IamCanadian]

Nope, but your reply merely reinforces what I posted about you being intollerant of opinions other than your own.

I'll second that. Exterminator is very intolerant.

 

[supersunbird]

@ icyrus - the lack of facts being provided leads me to believe that this is the reason for the negativity

No, the reason for the negativity is that they lie, aka minister of transport saying the taxis are all on board for taxi recap and then the drivers have strikes because they dont like it.

The incompetence of the ministers of health, safety and security and telecoms in not addressing pressing issues in the country and having to suffer from that, that is what makes us negative.

Maybe we expected to much from the promise of the ANC...

 

[kilo39]

so where is your objective fact - I have posted many times before and am not going to go through it all again - we have hosted some of the biggest events in the world - and they have gone off smoothly - with no money being stolen through fraud or corruption - so on what do you base your 'facts' - once again i put it to you that all the negativity around the WC2010 comes from a certain sector of the population hellbent on discrediting the current government - because they still can not accept the change to democracy -

xtermin8or that is completely out of order. We wanted this democracy as much as anybody but we want to see the country working and the endless budgetary and other issues don't bode well (talking in general.)

If you think any in SA don't accept the change to democracy I would say you are wrong. Lots of complaining people yes but only because they want to be proud and nothing they have been shown (recently) makes them so.

 

[vespax]

xtermin8or that is completely out of order. We wanted this democracy as much as anybody but we want to see the country working and the endless budgetary and other issues don't bode well (talking in general.)

If you think any in SA don't accept the change to democracy I would say you are wrong. Lots of complaining people yes but only because they want to be proud and nothing they have been shown (recently) makes them so.

Sums things up quite well, I think.

 

[nocilah]

as i said previously - i will eat this post and the other post if sa pulls off 2010 in the manner our fine president mentioned.

this is africa folks - africa cant do much as is fairly evident when you look around.

 

[ToxicBunny]

He mentions other big international events that South Africa has hosted and very succesfully.. and I don't disagree with that, we have hosted some very high profile events and pulled them off beautifully. Whats at issue here is the scale of this event, its orders of magnitude bigger than anything we have attempted before and it requires a MASSIVE increase in the spending on infrastructure of all types, and there seems to be little concrete evidence of the money being spent effectively, or on well thought out projects.

For example (since i live in the city).. the King Senzagakhona stadium will be great for the WC... but what to do with it after that, it'll cost an absolute fortune to maintain... and soccer is not really known for being a sport where high priced tickets would be acceptable, or even sell... and I have a feeling alot of the big stadiums being planned for around the country may suffer the same fate... and that is worrying...

 

[Angelo]

Fifa happy with SA's 2010 progress

"Not only is the country on time, but a bit ahead of Germany at the same time. We are happy with preparations and now it's for the local organising committee to maintain the momentum," added the German who was one of the driving forces behind this year's tournament in his homeland.

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[IamCanadian]

http://www.supersoccer.co.za/default.asp?id=197610&des=article&scat=supersoccer/worldcup2010
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Quote:
"Not only is the country on time, but a bit ahead of Germany at the same time. We are happy with preparations and now it's for the local organising committee to maintain the momentum," added the German who was one of the driving forces behind this year's tournament in his homeland.

Snicker! Hmph! Chortle!

 

[Vrotappel]

you try to hide behind saying that you hope they can pull it off, and at the same time say - time has run out - I don't get you

anyway - there is no evidence that the money will be stolen as it were - so stop alleging that people are corrupt before you have any evidence - that is the worst kind of bigotry - and now I will probably get another warning

Irvin Khoza is involved. Money will definitely be stolen.

 

[TonyA]

Number of prominent people moving into percieved money pot called 2010

 

[Angelo]

Irvin Khoza is involved. Money will definitely be stolen.

Has he stolen any money before, any proof?

 

[Nod]

Has he stolen any money before, any proof?

A quick google later:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/africa/4085683.stm

But the powerful political connections of football's 'Iron Duke' mask a criminal past which includes insurance fraud, tax evasion and charges of drug dealing.

Khoza has twice been found guilty of insurance fraud in his own country - fined in 1979 and 1981 for trying to profit from a fictitious life policy - and he was also fined in Zambia for his connections with an alleged drug smuggling operation.

http://www.mg.co.za/articledirect.aspx?area=mg_flat&articleid=152876

Khoza, the "Iron Duke", is facing one of his toughest challenges as the South African Revenue Service continues probing his business affairs. The service has provisionally estimated his tax liability arising from allegedly undeclared income at a whopping R66-million. But it is an open secret that Khoza has attracted the attention of criminal investigators since at least the late 1970s, and that the investigators' interest has often related to Khoza's contact with known participants in the narcotics trade.

http://www.info.gov.za/speeches/2002/02080513461002.htm

Friday, August 02, 2002 - Today, the South African Revenue Service and Mr Irvin Khoza signed an agreement bringing to closure the SARS investigation into the tax affairs of Mr Irvin Khoza. Both parties have deemed it necessary to inform the South African public of this important milestone.

Indeed an example for us all.

 

[xtermin8or]

to be fair, Khoza did pay those backtaxes