(Metro) Cops in 'raid of terror'

[supersunbird]

Perhaps someone call shed some light on the correct procedure for a drug/underage drinking raid, because every time one takes place, the public is up in arms about police procedure and the clubbers wail that their human rights have been compromised. And yet the public complains that the police are not doing enough to curb drug distribution?

You seem to forget there are at least two public groups here (drug using clubbers and sit at home moan about everything busybodies), no one cohesive public...

 

[Slootvreter]

You seem to forget there are at least two public groups here (drug using clubbers and sit at home moan about everything busybodies), no one cohesive public...

Guess nobody will be able to answer this then.

 

[JK8]

Perhaps someone call shed some light on the correct procedure for a drug/underage drinking raid, because every time one takes place, the public is up in arms about police procedure and the clubbers wail that their human rights have been compromised. And yet the public complains that the police are not doing enough to curb drug distribution?

I prefer the undercover cops in the clubs that catch the guys, most rave clubs tend to be filled with drugs compared to other types imo, but as for underage drinking, its mostly girls underage guys hardly get into clubs!

 

[Drunkard #1]

And right on cue, the resident MyBB steroid fueled neanderthals pop up to defend the cops (and their own???) right to assault innocent civilians without cause. Wouldn't expect anything less from you (you know who I'm referring to).

 

[Slootvreter]

And right on cue, the resident MyBB steroid fueled neanderthals pop up to defend the cops (and their own???) right to assault innocent civilians without cause. Wouldn't expect anything less from you (you know who I'm referring to).

Probably me Steroid-fuelled? Of course, you'd know. And FYI, I asked a question, as opposed to everyone moaning.

 

[R/SGT]

Perhaps someone call shed some light on the correct procedure for a drug/underage drinking raid, because every time one takes place, the public is up in arms about police procedure and the clubbers wail that their human rights have been compromised. And yet the public complains that the police are not doing enough to curb drug distribution?

Generally raids are only conducted to search for illegal drugs and weapons, they generally don’t target underage drinking specifically.

Usually the police will obtain a warrant authorizing them to search the specific premises and its patrons. They can raid without a warrant if they have information and obtaining a warrant will take to long, in this case you had better be sure of your facts and clear it with your commander.

Usually procedure is to insert undercover members into the club beforehand to try and pinpoint the dealers/users.

Upon entry the police will switch of the music and instruct the patrons to stay where they are. The police will then conduct a general sweep of the club and check for discarded drugs etc. Once this is done they will instruct the patrons to file out in an orderly fashion, the men will go first and will be searched at the door by male officers, once they have left female officers will enter the club and search the female patrons ( All male officers should wait out side while this is been done)

Once all the patrons are outside a drug dog is usually brought in and members will conduct a more thorough search.

Once this is concluded the members will take any suspects and leave.

Most users will throw their drugs to the floor when the police enter, so it is difficult to say whose drugs they are.

I have never been on a raid where we have used urine test and as far as I know they will only test people who they suspect of been under the influence of drugs.

This raid by the Metro was a complete balls up and they should stick to directing traffic

 

[Toxin]

OMW!!! I was there when it happened. Saw a couple of guys getting manhandled but they separated the guys and the girls when they got there. Didn't think their was this much trouble caused.

I hope they (EMPD) got nailed for this.

 

[Flanders]

Well R/SGT, that sounds like a reasonable procedure to me. What grates my carrot is when these tools start throwing their weight around (beating up women etc.). Things were either blown out of proportion in the article or we're dealing with people who abuse their power. If it's the latter then it can't go unchecked.

Agreed on Metro sticking to directing traffic. They should never be throwing their size 55 arses around a nightclub. Someone could get hurt.

 

[medicnick83]

This raid by the Metro was a complete balls up and they should stick to directing traffic

Well said R/SGT

 

[Slootvreter]

Most users will throw their drugs to the floor when the police enter, so it is difficult to say whose drugs they are.

This is basically why police raids are useless in clubs.

This raid by the Metro was a complete balls up and they should stick to directing traffic

Agreed, the only thing good about them is that they pull over almost every taxi on the N2

 

[lsuacner]

Last night I was robbed, called the Police, but their phone was busy for 4 hrs and I tried 19 times on 10111 and 4 times on the land line. The robber was in the yard next door for over 20 minutes. The Police officer taking our statement got confused over the time 18:50 and kept asking at what time we were robbed over and over, she kept suggesting everything but 18:50 at the end of every sentence. It was like trying to tell her she has 10 fingers but instead she repeated every number but 10. She didn't understand the word "he" (used as follows: He left the door open). She kept telling me that I was the one who left the door open for the braai. I told told her look, that is Johan, my flatemate, I am not my flatemate. He is Johan. He left the door open. After my outburst which lasted quite a bit she was arrogant and still told me that I left the door open.

Even after she saw my ID, after she saw my flatmate's ID she still said I left the door open. In taking the statement I had to constantly tell her not to make up her own story and to write down what I tell her.

2 hrs we spent there to write one page. She couldn't even spell most of the words properly, I had to spell every other word to her. This is a police station which got an award for being one of the best in RSA.

At 0700 they called me, said they are coming, at 1100 they pitched up.

Basically, the police beat patrons in clubs and do nothing to fight crime.

 

[R/SGT]

This is basically why police raids are useless in clubs.

Actually if done right they work, I have been on quite a few where we have had a good haul

• 3 x illegal pistols
• 1 x cut down shotgun
• 1000 Ecstacy tablets
• 30 half moons of coke
• lots of dagga
• 100 tabs of LSD

You wont always get it but it does make dealers think twice

 

[JK8]

OMW!!! I was there when it happened. Saw a couple of guys getting manhandled but they separated the guys and the girls when they got there. Didn't think their was this much trouble caused.

I hope they (EMPD) got nailed for this.

So according to you the raid was not as wild and out of control as the article suggests? This could be an isolated incident and they making a mountain out it.

 

[R/SGT]

lsuacner

I suggest you go and lay a complaint at your local station, ask to speak to the shift commander.

What can I say, I have also worked with a few like that eish

Another problem can be the telephone oprators especially whne they give the controllers the wrong info, such a a H/B in progress as a H/B occured. That definitly affect the priority and response time.

Your last bit is a bit of a generalisation, when raids occur the members involved are pulled in specially for it and it does not involve sector/patrol vechiles

 

[Slootvreter]

Basically, the police beat patrons in clubs and do nothing to fight crime.

Yeah, they do nothing else but beat patrons in clubs.

Your last bit is a bit of a generalisation

Which is why I don't believe that police will team up and beat a woman into hospital just because they can. Make no misktake, I've been locked up, I've had my episodes with the police, and the metro police (which I despise) so I'm certainly not pro-police as it might sound, but people tend to exaggerate and even write total B$ because they don't like the police.

 

[Sackboy]

I prefer the undercover cops in the clubs that catch the guys, most rave clubs tend to be filled with drugs compared to other types imo, but as for underage drinking, its mostly girls underage guys hardly get into clubs!

There were undecover guys at the famous Stellenbosch raid. They were spotted on CCTV ordering double WHISKIES at the bar prior to the raid. I guess they were just blending in - or should that be stiring .

lsuacner

I suggest you go and lay a complaint at your local station, ask to speak to the shift commander.

What can I say, I have also worked with a few like that eish

Another problem can be the telephone oprators especially whne they give the controllers the wrong info, such a a H/B in progress as a H/B occured. That definitly affect the priority and response time.

Your last bit is a bit of a generalisation, when raids occur the members involved are pulled in specially for it and it does not involve sector/patrol vechiles

A few!! Ha! If you had to do this every time the local plod couldn't do anything, they would have 200 calls a day. Even the detectives haven't a clue most of the time.

 

[Oculate]

OMW!!! I was there when it happened. Saw a couple of guys getting manhandled but they separated the guys and the girls when they got there. Didn't think their was this much trouble caused.

I hope they (EMPD) got nailed for this.

I there was too.

After being frisked initially and let back inside (got frisked 4 times ), we went to the roof to watch, there were a few guys being pushed around, but saw none of the girls being mistreated. 2 of my friends got arrested and taken for testing, we even had to pick them up

So according to you the raid was not as wild and out of control as the article suggests? This could be an isolated incident and they making a mountain out it.

Apart from random people being grabbed against their will and force to take urine tests, the guys resisting and being pushed around, i'd say it wasnt as wild as stated in the OP

 

[R/SGT]

Optioncarduser

2 of my friends got arrested and taken for testing

Once you have been arrested you dont have a choice in the matter

 

[a-person]

Actually if done right they work, I have been on quite a few where we have had a good haul

• 3 x illegal pistols
• 1 x cut down shotgun
• 1000 Ecstacy tablets
• 30 half moons of coke
• lots of dagga
• 100 tabs of LSD

You wont always get it but it does make dealers think twice

How many people had the cr@p beaten out of them to get this haul?

 

[Oculate]

Once you have been arrested you dont have a choice in the matter

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