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medicnick83
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R/SGT; are you currently in the police force or were you?
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(Metro) Cops in 'raid of terror'
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I am a reservist in the SAPS, been doing it for seven years now
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There is a big difference between usual planned SAPS raids and these "Metro" ones.
I have been through SAPS raids, and usually they are well co-ordinated and no problem unless you give them hassles. Most do their job, well backed up by reservists and they don't seem to do it "for fun"
These metro raids on the other hand..well let's just say they have a giant case of "SAPS Envy"
Glad I gave up clubbing. I am not a huge anti drug guy, but those who are dealing or carrying in the clubs have no right to moan. On the other hand, ppl who are doing nothing wrong have a right to be treated with respect and not unduly harassed.
Doors has a ton of drugs inside. There is a need for these raids, but not like this. Hopefully something will come of it...but I doubt it.
Btw R/SGT...can you clear up something for me?
If I am frisked and found to be carrying my licenced firearm but don't drink at all (not a drop) and no drugs ever...am I arrested for carrying in a place that serves alchohol or ..?
The club's rules are not law, but I think there may be others in this situation.
G26
I have been through SAPS raids, and usually they are well co-ordinated and no problem unless you give them hassles. Most do their job, well backed up by reservists and they don't seem to do it "for fun"
These metro raids on the other hand..well let's just say they have a giant case of "SAPS Envy"
Glad I gave up clubbing. I am not a huge anti drug guy, but those who are dealing or carrying in the clubs have no right to moan. On the other hand, ppl who are doing nothing wrong have a right to be treated with respect and not unduly harassed.
Doors has a ton of drugs inside. There is a need for these raids, but not like this. Hopefully something will come of it...but I doubt it.
Btw R/SGT...can you clear up something for me?
If I am frisked and found to be carrying my licenced firearm but don't drink at all (not a drop) and no drugs ever...am I arrested for carrying in a place that serves alchohol or ..?
The club's rules are not law, but I think there may be others in this situation.
G26
Why was it necessary to pepper spray people. Was it like the Stellenbosch raid where is was used on girls for "being cheeky"?
No.
They can also no longer arrest you for just being in the same public building as drugs.
They may carry less, but they'll just keep their supply off site.
Been at many raids and never seen the police manage to actually catch a single person with drugs on them.
Hi G26, I am cant find any legislation barring you, but I know that you can be legally refused entrance if you dont comply with a clubs rules ( Right of admission reserved.
I did find this
Its a bit of a hard one, especially since alcohol and guns should never mix.
No it wasn’t used on people been cheeky, it was used on people who were aggressively resisting arrest, one of the suspects attempted to stab one of the officers involved. The suspect is lucky he didn’t get shot as we had already warned him to drop the knife.
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Good question. But what I would also like to know, if a girl or woman is being uncooperative (which they are likely to be when drinking), what is a better solution than pepperspray?
I think we have to define 'uncooperative'.
- If someone doesn't react quickly enough to officers' instructions (as people who have been drinking tend to do), are they misbehaving?
- If they are asking a policeman what is happening, is that being cheeky?
- If their friend/gf is getting sprayed or beaten for no apparent reason, is questioning the assault being uncooperative?
You have to remember that the metro plods have very, very small penises and need to compensate. This they do by beating up on the defenseless.
The 'female' variant of the metro plod is only capable of pulling taxi drivers. (See the Vodacom documentary on this at your local movie house). They resent the 'normal' females ability to pull blokes or act like Katy Perry.
The 'female' variant of the metro plod is only capable of pulling taxi drivers. (See the Vodacom documentary on this at your local movie house). They resent the 'normal' females ability to pull blokes or act like Katy Perry.
Within the SAPS there are levels of force which may be applied to a situation depending on the specific circumstances, the levels are
The officer involved must be able to justify the level of force applied.
Sackboy, non of those should result in anything but been told off, generally drunk people are amusing but they do also cause problems for themselves, especially when they keep butting in even after been told to move on.
The last one is a problem if you try anything you will proberly also land in trouble, I would suggest looking for a senior officer at the scene and asking him to intevene, otherwise phone 10111 and ask to speak to a supervisor. PS take video with your cellphone
You can be charged with been Drunk and Disordely even if you are in a club.
- Verbal warning
- Physical restraint of suspects
- Pepper spray
- Baton or Tonfa
- Firearm
The officer involved must be able to justify the level of force applied.
Sackboy, non of those should result in anything but been told off, generally drunk people are amusing but they do also cause problems for themselves, especially when they keep butting in even after been told to move on.
The last one is a problem if you try anything you will proberly also land in trouble, I would suggest looking for a senior officer at the scene and asking him to intevene, otherwise phone 10111 and ask to speak to a supervisor. PS take video with your cellphone
It depends on what they are doing, I have seen some women go nuts when they are arrested.
You can be charged with been Drunk and Disordely even if you are in a club.
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Why do people always bring penis comparisons into everything where a figure with more authority is involved?
Those are all good questions,and I agree. But in the situation, say for example, the chick goes 'don't you touch me' or refuses to move out of the way or something, what then? Because it seems no matter what actions are taken (besides the police walking away), someone will cry foul.
Why do people always bring penis comparisons into everything where a figure with more authority is involved?
Hey, all that I am doing is explaining the psychology of the traffis using biological facts.
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Right, the same way a guy with a big car must have a small penis? Anyway, let's stay on topic
Right, the same way a guy with a big car must have a small penis? Anyway, let's stay on topic
Nope - that would be a guy with a big aerofoil on his car ...
Why is it that everyone are always so innocent after these raids? I've been at clubs a couple of times when there were raids and people are always very arrogant towards the police. Then as soon as someone gets hurt, the excuses comes out the next day... "I just wanted to get my ID from the car...".
medicnick83
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