Microsoft is giving Windows 7 and 8 users no choice but to upgrade to Windows 10

Ho3n3r

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It couldn't have. Impossible. Dozens of millions would be up in arms if that were true. Msft would wreck its business overnight if it did that, so it doesn't. You inadvertently approved the upgrade.

Nope. There is an automatic update that does it. Unless you make sure the KB is un-ticked, it WILL install. Obviously most people don't even know this.

They're not scared to do it, people need Windows, so they won't ruin anything for themselves.
 

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Things that ARE broke in Windows 10:

- A settings app and a control panel. I mean, WTF? Make up your mind, MS.

- File associations. You set an app as default in settings. Doesn't stick. You have to do it again in control panel. Next update, it reverts. FFS, just fix this one simple thing and millions will be happy.

- Different styles, fonts and windows depending on whether you're being "modern / metro" or "classic" - Why can't they agree on a theme and make it consistent throughout the OS?

- Networking. Ever tried changing from wireless to wired? Or changing wireless networks? Windows 10 can't seem to update it's ip config in real time. You reset it, no network. ipconfig /release, ipconfig /renew, still not. Reboot pc, Ah! We have an ip address!

- Privacy issues / telemetry / etc: well-documented and scary how extensive it is. Don't get me started.

- Apps that use tiles. Like the built in mail app. On roughly half the new installs of Windows 10 I've tried clicking on that mail tile and it never opened. Ever. Didn't matter how long I waited. That's about 30 different pc's. Just me? I don't think so.

- I want to open a jpeg. I double click on it. It takes 5 seconds for the photos app to come up. Then it wants to start indexing all my photos. Why? On early versions of windows 10 you could still revert to the good old windows picture and fax viewer. I see that's no longer an option.

- Tiles? Yeah right. This is a desktop I'm using this OS on, Microsoft. Either figure that out or let me choose. Just stop shoving these godawful stupid kiddies building block tiles in my face. I can read a menu you know.

- Edge? Don't make me laugh. Let me know when it's out of alpha testing, then I might look at the beta, then when it matures to the stage that Firefox, Opera, Chrome and yes, IE11 are, let me know. I might take another look.

- Why do I have to have an account with the company I buy my OS from? Why do I have to store all my stuff with them? What is this arm-twisting to use onedrive all the time? It's not the only cloud in the sky. Again, no choice.

-Then there's all the messed-up attempts at OS, onedrive and office integration. I want to open a simple word document that lives on my hard drive. No, word and onedrive decide that I should open the version that's in the cloud, because it's newer. Then it won't let me save it with the same name. Then..

Oh, stuff it. I still have to fix windows 10 for clients, but thank God I don't have to use it.
 

supersunbird

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Things that ARE broke in Windows 10:

- A settings app and a control panel. I mean, WTF? Make up your mind, MS.

- File associations. You set an app as default in settings. Doesn't stick. You have to do it again in control panel. Next update, it reverts. FFS, just fix this one simple thing and millions will be happy.

- Different styles, fonts and windows depending on whether you're being "modern / metro" or "classic" - Why can't they agree on a theme and make it consistent throughout the OS?

- Networking. Ever tried changing from wireless to wired? Or changing wireless networks? Windows 10 can't seem to update it's ip config in real time. You reset it, no network. ipconfig /release, ipconfig /renew, still not. Reboot pc, Ah! We have an ip address!

- Privacy issues / telemetry / etc: well-documented and scary how extensive it is. Don't get me started.

- Apps that use tiles. Like the built in mail app. On roughly half the new installs of Windows 10 I've tried clicking on that mail tile and it never opened. Ever. Didn't matter how long I waited. That's about 30 different pc's. Just me? I don't think so.

- I want to open a jpeg. I double click on it. It takes 5 seconds for the photos app to come up. Then it wants to start indexing all my photos. Why? On early versions of windows 10 you could still revert to the good old windows picture and fax viewer. I see that's no longer an option.

- Tiles? Yeah right. This is a desktop I'm using this OS on, Microsoft. Either figure that out or let me choose. Just stop shoving these godawful stupid kiddies building block tiles in my face. I can read a menu you know.

- Edge? Don't make me laugh. Let me know when it's out of alpha testing, then I might look at the beta, then when it matures to the stage that Firefox, Opera, Chrome and yes, IE11 are, let me know. I might take another look.

- Why do I have to have an account with the company I buy my OS from? Why do I have to store all my stuff with them? What is this arm-twisting to use onedrive all the time? It's not the only cloud in the sky. Again, no choice.

-Then there's all the messed-up attempts at OS, onedrive and office integration. I want to open a simple word document that lives on my hard drive. No, word and onedrive decide that I should open the version that's in the cloud, because it's newer. Then it won't let me save it with the same name. Then..

Oh, stuff it. I still have to fix windows 10 for clients, but thank God I don't have to use it.

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etienne_marais

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Similar thing happened to my colleague just a couple of hours ago, he was working on his Windows 7 machine and suddenly an upgrading screen appeared, he said he was not given a chance to accept or cancel.
 

backstreetboy

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Things that ARE broke in Windows 10:

- A settings app and a control panel. I mean, WTF? Make up your mind, MS. Who gives a flying fsck I just use Cortana/Search that has just been upgraded this week so you can give searching settings priority. They are olso working on just one single settings app that will come when Redstone 2 comes next year. We'll probably see some more come MS Build end of the month.

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- File associations. You set an app as default in settings. Doesn't stick. You have to do it again in control panel. Next update, it reverts. FFS, just fix this one simple thing and millions will be happy. Sure there is a bug here but my Chrome browser is still the default and opening PDF's in Chrome is also still the default after yesterday's update.

- Different styles, fonts and windows depending on whether you're being "modern / metro" or "classic" - Why can't they agree on a theme and make it consistent throughout the OS? How long do you stare at the screen? I do what I need to and GTFO. The OS should just get you to your apps fast whether the app is build in or 3'rd party.

- Networking. Ever tried changing from wireless to wired? Or changing wireless networks? Windows 10 can't seem to update it's ip config in real time. You reset it, no network. ipconfig /release, ipconfig /renew, still not. Reboot pc, Ah! We have an ip address! Haven't seen that yet. Just set Ethernet as priority under Network and Sharing Center.

- Privacy issues / telemetry / etc: well-documented and scary how extensive it is. Don't get me started.The telementary issues is overblown by mostly Forbes. Don't know why I have a account with them because the countless Windows 10 stories just showed what trash they are.

- Apps that use tiles. Like the built in mail app. On roughly half the new installs of Windows 10 I've tried clicking on that mail tile and it never opened. Ever. Didn't matter how long I waited. That's about 30 different pc's. Just me? I don't think so. Might be because after na new install the apps on the Windows Store update in the background. It definitely has a bug where it don't update when new mails come in or you delete old ones online. Dunno if it's been fixed since I use Google Inbox (waiting for the updated outlook.com to hit my account). I can also desktop outlook but never bothered to set it up. The mail app is fine for old people that just read mails now and then and don't use it for heavy business usage.

- I want to open a jpeg. I double click on it. It takes 5 seconds for the photos app to come up. Then it wants to start indexing all my photos. Why? On early versions of windows 10 you could still revert to the good old windows picture and fax viewer. I see that's no longer an option. Under settings just delete the path under Sources. It will only take long if you have many photos stored under your profile>photos folder.

- Tiles? Yeah right. This is a desktop I'm using this OS on, Microsoft. Either figure that out or let me choose. Just stop shoving these godawful stupid kiddies building block tiles in my face. I can read a menu you know. Agian I use Cortana/Search from the taskbar. Takes me 3 seconds to get to the app I want.

- Edge? Don't make me laugh. Let me know when it's out of alpha testing, then I might look at the beta, then when it matures to the stage that Firefox, Opera, Chrome and yes, IE11 are, let me know. I might take another look. I agree. It crashes at work and home when I just have a few tabs open and want to open InPrivate mode. Hopefully it gets better with Redstone and when they release it to the Windows store so it can get updated there. It's a UWP app.

- Why do I have to have an account with the company I buy my OS from? Why do I have to store all my stuff with them? What is this arm-twisting to use onedrive all the time? It's not the only cloud in the sky. Again, no choice. Just like Chrome OS or OS X it's better with an online account so it can do things like
ponder said:
and even managed to somehow have the option of my previous wallpaper I manually downloaded from some site, wtf?

-Then there's all the messed-up attempts at OS, onedrive and office integration. I want to open a simple word document that lives on my hard drive. No, word and onedrive decide that I should open the version that's in the cloud, because it's newer. Then it won't let me save it with the same name. Then..If the file is on your HDD and not in the Onedrive folder it will just open up if you have the UWP or desktop office apps installed. What you talking about is opening an office file saved to Onedrive that perhaps someone else is also working on. Then it will want to open the latest file saved.

Oh, stuff it. I still have to fix windows 10 for clients, but thank God I don't have to use it.
FWIW
 
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atomcrusher

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It's the best Windows release yet running it at home and work. Just try it out before you roll back.

I agree with the above. My upgrade path on my ASUS X54C - 64-bit Laptop was Win 7 (As purchased online from Wootware) > Win 8> Win 8.1 > Win 10. (all Pro versions) I have had very few problems, and those that did occur were fixed with the regular updates.
I am not particularly PC-Tech-savvy, and am glad that I have had a relatively problem-free experience from Win 7 up to the latest build of Win 10
 

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Using the back to Windows 7 setting caused my pc to bluescreen. And it wont repair windows 7. Wow... So, great!

Bluescreen ftw.
 

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i was a total win7 fanboi. i am now a total win10 fanboi after using it it home for about a month. i was using 10 at work for a period of time, and whenever i'd get home to my win7 rig, i found myself over time becoming more and more frustrated by how much slower and clunkier 7 felt.
 

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Except for copy and paste in command prompt and DX12 goodness... what can it do that 8.1 or 7 can't do?

Better security for one.

http://arstechnica.com/information-...cks-up-bonus-security-features-on-windows-10/

The Windows 10 November update (version 1511, build 10586) included a handful of new security features to provide protection against some security issues that have kept on popping up in Windows for a number of years. Google yesterday added source code support for these features to the Chrome browser, making Windows 10 the best version of Windows to use with Google's browser.

Over the last few years, Windows has had a number of flaws that relate to its font handling. The TrueType and PostScript fonts that Windows supports are complex things, and for historic reasons, much of the code used to handle these fonts runs in Windows' kernel mode. This makes it attractive to attackers: if a bug exists in this font-handling code, it can be used to obtain kernel-level privileges
I also think it's got better protection regarding ransomware since MSCE rebranded as Windows Defender is included by default and updated every day.
 

supersunbird

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+100 even on my 5200 rpm laptop drive from circa 2006 its flying.

Guess I don't notice that because of the SSDs... the Win10s I encounter are all HDD and settings screen seems laggy (all none AD machines, of course, which just updated and the users didn't even really know it happened and just moan this and that doesn't work and then I have to try to fix it on with that stupid split settings/control panel).
 

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Guess I don't notice that because of the SSDs... the Win10s I encounter are all HDD and settings screen seems laggy (all none AD machines, of course, which just updated and the users didn't even really know it happened and just moan this and that doesn't work and then I have to try to fix it on with that stupid split settings/control panel).
Powershell anyone?
 

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Things that ARE broke in Windows 10:

:snip:

1) This is a function of moving away from legacy software, code, and menus, while at the same time extending an olive branch to those people still using those functions by making it easier to use the new menus. Admittedly it's a bit annoying when you have to jump through hoops to configure your display, but that's a problem caused by GPU makers, not Microsoft. NVIDIA, AMD, and Intel all have different ways to make the GPU perform the same function, and some standardisation is needed with the way the drivers communicate with the OS.

2) I haven't had this in a while. This function requires that applications keep their app manifests updated to let Windows know that it's going to be the default for certain files. It's not Microsoft's fault that developers aren't following standards in their software.

3) See 1). No-one promised that it would be an easy transition, but it's one that's getting easier to gel with as time goes by. Because of the cross-pollination of Windows Phone and Windows, there's a certain drive in the company to have most things look and act the same way no matter what device you're on. There'll be a lot of trial an error before this is settled, and it's a problem that Apple and Google ignore by designing and trying to keep different UIs up to date and somewhat cohesive.

4) I've seen none of these issues, and I'm on a system with a Killer NIC, and I've had many other bugs with how Windows approaches reporting on the network hardware. None of them are deal-breakers though, even to noob end-users.

5) Telemetry isn't a privacy invasion. If you're going to argue a policy the company has rigorously and rigidly adopted, complain about automatic updates and the ways in which the system pushes updates for hardware you may not want.

6) Never had or ever seen this issue on a machine before, either in-store, or a custom-built one that I've assembled, but Mail did have its fair share of problems in the beginning right after launch. Fixing Mail also required changes to how universal apps launched in the sandbox, so those issues should be fixed now.

7) If you do an upgrade from 7 or 8.1, Photo Viewer is still an option because it wasn't disabled during the update. Here's how you can enable it on machines that have had a clean install and not an upgrade.

8) Unpin them from the Start Menu then and replace them with shortcuts to folders or other menu items. You don't have to use them. I know that's not a fix, but it's been this way since Windows 8, and this is the path Microsoft's going to trod for a good while. Universal apps are great stuff, but their implementation still needs work.

9) Edge is a great browser right now, but it lacks extensions. Those are coming in June for non-insiders.

10) This I agree with. It's an inane requirement that Microsoft pushes on people, and the way they've been putting their services in the limelight has slowly driven people back to older OSes or reconsidered running OS X or Linux. There are great benefits attached to using a Microsoft account, but I'm loathe to use one when I'm trying to share files across a home network that will never, ever, see a homegroup being made.

11) It's a reflection on the direction the company's been pushing these teams in, and often they all go in different directions. I believe that once this stuff is ironed out and implemented in a standard way, everyone, not just Microsoft, will stand to benefit from deeper OS integration. OneDrive integration has always been sketchy anyway, and Dropbox is still superior to every other offering.

I wouldn't say "thank God I don't have to use it" because as a technician or sysadmin, or a network engineer, it always makes more sense to use the right tool for the job rather than try to shoehorn something else in that works, but isn't a good fit. Windows 10 will work for some people and not for others, and at the moment that's fine. It'll be a while before we have something magical like Windows 7 again.

Better security for one.
I also think it's got better protection regarding ransomware since MSCE rebranded as Windows Defender is included by default and updated every day.

My God, fonts and languages in Windows have been the bane of my existence. So much buggy.

Powershell anyone?

It's getting ridiculously powerful now. Has integration into some of the really cool things Microsoft's trying to do. If I were still a sysadmin, I'd be stocking up on Powershell certs like crazy because it's addictive stuff.

I'll eventually move my benchmarking routines into Powershell scripts, and will finally have a single batch file that can run on its own while I go off and do something else, and it won't conk out occasionally like other applications/
 
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