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Microsoft is giving Windows 7 and 8 users no choice but to upgrade to Windows 10
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:erm: are you ignoring the Win 7 slice?
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Windows 7 is 6 years old though.
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Is that a good or bad thing?
They try to dominate mobile market. Strategy is not difficult to guess. Once the user learn tablet interface, it will more likely buy a new tablet/phone running the same interface and apps. Problems are two:
1. Windows 10 is not ready for release yet. If they don't fix Windows in the third official 'release' scheduled for this summer, people will revert back to 7/8.
2. Tablet interface is not suitable for desktop. It can be acceptable for hybrid devices, but desktop users suffer. I invested in 1080p screen and after installing Windows 10 and running 'Settings' app I can see the same as on VGA screen running XP. Windows 7 made it already worse by increasing window borders, a thick menu bar, condensing in 'modern' applications file/edit/etc menu to a single button and positioning it on the top-right. Start menu is on bottom-left, and now I have to move mouse the the opposite corner to do the most frequent operations. It was a Microsoft invention without doing any usability study. Now Windows 10 is designed for a thick finger touch with sliders in mind. I want consistent and efficient tree menu which I can operate with keyboard.
Bottom of line, even they fix #1 on time, Microsoft will face resistance from the existing desktop users. I am not even touching privacy and forced updates issue, cheating that something can be disabled but is not. Microsoft picked up the worst money generating practice from Apple and Google, put it in one package and call it a 'service'. It will backfire in the long term, as they mess up with the existing user base and they have no stable product to delight mobile users.
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XP isn't supported anymore. Windows 7 is and still ages older than Windows 10. Most people are obviously on seven. IIRC I read an article that said Windows 10 has a faster adoption rate than any other OS before it.
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It is free
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It only has a faster adoption rate because a lot of people want to take advantage of the "free" upgrade. And that is the point, the one year window for the "free" upgrade is quickly running out, and yet the majority of Win 7 users do not want to upgrade. Most of the Win10 users probably upgraded from 8 or 8.1. So in 3 months time when the upgrade offer ends, 50% of their users will still be stuck on Win7.
I'm absolutely incensed.
I quite like Windows 10, but this is beyond the pale.
Our not very tech savvy bookkeeper who works from home phoned in a panic yesterday to say that she came back from making coffee to find her Windows 7 pc in the middle of an upgrade to Windows 10. I'd schooled her in carefully reading the Win 10 install dialogues to ensure that she doesn't upgrade and she swears she was given no such alert before the upgrade just started.
Net result, after the upgrade, Pastel was broken (in the middle of finalising the fin year) and she couldn't access online banking since the Nedbank dongle she uses is not compatible with Win 10 (you have to order an updated dongle at a cost of R300 and much paperwork). No payments could be made.
Couldn't get there until that evening but eventually reverted the system to Windows 7 so everything was exactly back where it was quite quickly, which is vaguely impressive, but to add insult to injury the first thing that popped up on the restored Windows system was a Win 10 upgrade dialogue with a countdown timer that says "Your Windows update will start in 59:00" and only one big button that says Restart and Upgrade now. There was a smaller link below which said "I need more time" but if you click that it only gives you the option to schedule the install for tonight. Savvy users would find the menu bar and work out through the menus that you can cancel the schedule but it's not at all obvious.
Where the very ×××× does MS get off with this high handed bullying behaviour? There are valid business reasons why people don't need to be forced to upgrade like this. And the work day lost to this? Who pays for this? Not to mention the cost of updating 3rd party software/dongles that was working just fine.
Go to hell Microsoft.
I quite like Windows 10, but this is beyond the pale.
Our not very tech savvy bookkeeper who works from home phoned in a panic yesterday to say that she came back from making coffee to find her Windows 7 pc in the middle of an upgrade to Windows 10. I'd schooled her in carefully reading the Win 10 install dialogues to ensure that she doesn't upgrade and she swears she was given no such alert before the upgrade just started.
Net result, after the upgrade, Pastel was broken (in the middle of finalising the fin year) and she couldn't access online banking since the Nedbank dongle she uses is not compatible with Win 10 (you have to order an updated dongle at a cost of R300 and much paperwork). No payments could be made.
Couldn't get there until that evening but eventually reverted the system to Windows 7 so everything was exactly back where it was quite quickly, which is vaguely impressive, but to add insult to injury the first thing that popped up on the restored Windows system was a Win 10 upgrade dialogue with a countdown timer that says "Your Windows update will start in 59:00" and only one big button that says Restart and Upgrade now. There was a smaller link below which said "I need more time" but if you click that it only gives you the option to schedule the install for tonight. Savvy users would find the menu bar and work out through the menus that you can cancel the schedule but it's not at all obvious.
Where the very ×××× does MS get off with this high handed bullying behaviour? There are valid business reasons why people don't need to be forced to upgrade like this. And the work day lost to this? Who pays for this? Not to mention the cost of updating 3rd party software/dongles that was working just fine.
Go to hell Microsoft.
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Business Banking Clients get the new Dongle for free!
Use GWX Control Panel to completely remove and block the Win 10 update...
http://ultimateoutsider.com/downloads/
Business Banking Clients get the new Dongle for free!
Really? We had to pay when we upgraded our other PC's to 10. I think you only get the first one free and additional dongles needing upgrades are charged??
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Well, then they must have charged us on our bank account as a bank charge, cos I don't remember handing over any cash.
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Yeah - we upgraded all our Win 10 users to those, but they stuck a ~R300 charge on our account for each one. At least those dongles aren't quite the end user setup nightmare that the old ones were (which actually required you to manually enter addresses into your browser trusted sites, and change browser script security settings), LOL.
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OK, so I guess we will see a charge on our account then.
But yes, they are much easier to use!
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Well here is my experience from yesterday. I was tasked with upgrading a PC form WIN XP to WIN 10. As a result of a number of issues, the easiest route was to first restore the original OS on the laptop ( it was a Win 7 machine - then replaced with WIN XP at some stage.)
This is what happened. restored Win 7, waited for process to complete. Almost immediately a WIN 7 "update" showed up. I had no intention of updating win 7, because in any case it would be replaced with WIN 10, But the phone rang and I got involved in another issue.
When I returned to the PC, the WIN 7 update had completed. At some stage I saw the PC asked for a restart but was not paying full attention and just clicked yes. I again came in to see the counter you are talking about running with 10 seconds left and there it was, the WIN 10 upgrade had started automatically!
So what looks like is that a WIN 7 update took place ( Why not after all, you want to keep your WIN 7 up to date not so?) Hidden in that update (just like with the IE 11 one) there must have been this little trick which then started the update without your bookkeeper being any the wiser or responsible for triggering it. Yes these really unacceptable things MS are doing are the problem not WIN 10 per se.