Military force can and does defeat terror.

[Ghazi]

There's many good examples of military achievements in defeating terrorism.

Most of Red Mosque deaths said to be militants

ISLAMABAD, Pakistan - President Pervez Musharraf’s government said Wednesday that militants accounted for most of the 106 people killed in eight days of fighting around the Red Mosque, calling it a signal that Islamic extremism won’t be tolerated in Pakistan.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19704888/

Lebanese army resumes shelling of Islamic militants

Lebanese troops pounded Islamic militants hiding in a Palestinian refugee camp in northern Lebanon on Tuesday, on the fifth straight day of the military's sustained assault to crush the Fatah al-Islam militant fighters.

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/867352.html

Philippines to step up offensive against Islamic militants

The government has massed 17 battalions of marines and infantry on the restive southern Basilan and Jolo islands to hunt down and destroy the al-Qaeda linked Abu Sayyaf, blamed for the worst terrorist attacks in the Philippines.
http://www.newssafety.com/index.php...ic-militants&option=com_content&Itemid=100436

Lebanon: Fatah al-Islam defeated, military operation is over

Lebanon's defense minister said Thursday that Islamic militants holed up in a north Lebanon refugee camp have been defeated and that the month-long military operation is over, except for mopping up.

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/873741.html

U.S. routed Islamic militants from Ethiopia

The U.S. military quietly waged a campaign from Ethiopia last month to capture or kill top leaders of Al Qaeda in the Horn of Africa, including the use of an airstrip in eastern Ethiopia to mount airstrikes against Islamic militants in neighboring Somalia, according to U.S. officials.

http://www.iht.com/articles/2007/02/23/news/somalia.php

Pakistani Troops Kill 15 Militants At Afghan Border

ISLAMABAD, Pakistan — Suicide attacks have killed nearly 1,200 people in Pakistan since July 2007, most of them civilians, according to military statistics Monday that underscored the ferocity of the threat facing the U.S. ally in the war on extremist groups.

Pakistan has seen a surge in attacks by Islamic extremists since the July 2007 army attack on militants holed up in Islamabad's radical Red Mosque, during which about 100 people were killed.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/09/29/pakistani-troops-kill-15_n_130194.html

'Fighters killed' in Pakistan raid

Pakistani government and paramilitary officials say security forces backed by aircraft have killed 38 Taliban fighters in an offensive in the Mohmand region on the Afghan border.

A paramilitary official was quoted by the AFP news agency on Tuesday as saying that "60 hardcore militants" were killed in the last 24 hours, including local field commanders.

Mohmand is a known al-Qaeda stronghold.

http://english.aljazeera.net/news/asia/2009/01/20091202111210895.html

The conflict began when Hezbollah militants purposely fired rockets at Israeli border towns

Lebanese officials said about 12 civilians died in the day's fighting; Israel said it killed 26 militants, raising to about 230 the total number killed in the campaign.

Hezbollah had fired nearly 4,000 rockets into Northern Israel prior to kidnapping the soldiers.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2006_Lebanon_War

 

[Xarog]

Of course, it probably would have been easier to deal with Fatah al-Islam if the US hadn't paid them off and supplied them in order to fight Hezbollah...

 

[LazyLion]

Of course, it probably would have been easier to deal with Fatah al-Islam if the US hadn't paid them off and supplied them in order to fight Hezbollah...

Irrelevant ... they are persona-non-grata now... and soon to be persona-non-vita!

 

[Xarog]

Irrelevant ... they are persona-non-grata now... and soon to be persona-non-vita!

They prop them up, and they shoot them down. They prop them up, and they shoot them down.

Seriously counter-productive behaviour.

Of course, it speaks volumes about US politics. Terrorism is OK so long as it is waged against your enemies. If it's waged against your friends, then the bawling about "innocent civilians" comes to the fore.

 

[Vitowe]

Like Israel, the US, and every other nation state out there, which is apparently justified in abusing human rights.

I assume you would be able to explain to me exactly what 'a human right' is?

 

[Xarog]

I assume you would be able to explain to me exactly what 'a human right' is?

I could, yes.

 

[Vitowe]

I could, yes.

Be my guest!

 

[Xarog]

After you've openly advocated genocide against 1.5 million people?

Sorry, but I've got better things to do than to waste my time on people with psychological pathologies.

 

[Vitowe]

My point is that trying to kill terrorists is usually a counter-productive excercise, especially when the terrorists have a legitimate reason to be upset.

Which is why I really do want to know how you would've handled the whole ANC issue at the beginning of the 90s. Do you think the Nats made a mistake when they decided to come to the negotiating table with the ANC? If so, then where, and if not, why not?

Yes it was a mistake. simply because to negatiate with terrorists is a dumb thing to do. (And in this case particularly dumb terrorists to boot). In doing so they have set the country on a course of destruction that will eventually make Zim look like a Sunday school picnic.
The Nats should have put a stop to the terror while they still had the capacity to do so. It would have long been over by now and we could have been living in a civilized country with sane, intelligent people governing it.

 

[d0b33]

Yes it was a mistake

It was a mistake to build a nation in Africa and not expect to share it with the native African majority, that sort of logic is retarded and obviously you'll defend it.

 

[Vitowe]

After you've openly advocated genocide against 1.5 million people?

Sorry, but I've got better things to do than to waste my time on people with psychological pathologies.

The number of terrorists is irrelevant.

You are the psyco by trying to defend evil. It is indefensible.
But if you feel your comments are enough to divert attention from the invitation put to you, then so be it. Pathetic, nevertheless.

 

[Vitowe]

It was a mistake to build a nation in Africa and not expect to share it with the native African majority, that sort of logic is retarded and obviously you'll defend it.

Share it? Are you kidding? They had virtually everything handed to them from the time they were introduced to the wheel and the written word.
And finally they are handed the reins to govern........ result.......the shambles we have to contend with today.

 

[semiautomatix]

My point is that trying to kill terrorists is usually a counter-productive excercise, especially when the terrorists have a legitimate reason to be upset.

Which is the whole point of this thread, to show that its not counter-productive? Did you not read the OP?

 

[semiautomatix]

It was a mistake to build a nation in Africa and not expect to share it with the native African majority, that sort of logic is retarded and obviously you'll defend it.

No, it was a mistake to give this country over to a terrorist organisation. So-called liberation fighters are good at what they do, but they make terrible administrators and politicians. Take for example Vavi or Mantashe still talking about being true to the revolution - they have one thing on their minds and are incapable of running a country. This mentality or once a terrorist or freedom fighter always a freedom fighter scares the carp out of me.

 

[Xarog]

Which is the whole point of this thread, to show that its not counter-productive? Did you not read the OP?

It's called "disagreeing with the assertions in the thread which attempt to support the OP".

 

[semiautomatix]

It's called "disagreeing with the assertions in the thread which attempt to support the OP".

No, you are making references to an entirely different situation and then trying to claim it disproves the OP. So do you not agree that the Sri Lankan military solution has effectively subdued the Tamil terrorists, where negotiations failed? If you do then a military solution is a practical answer.

If you don't then you blindly refuse to believe facts that are plainly stated; and I will not argue with a sarcastic little ... who won't believe the sky is blue.

 

[Kokop]

No, it was a mistake to give this country over to a terrorist organisation. So-called liberation fighters are good at what they do, but they make terrible administrators and politicians. Take for example Vavi or Mantashe still talking about being true to the revolution - they have one thing on their minds and are incapable of running a country. This mentality or once a terrorist or freedom fighter always a freedom fighter scares the carp out of me.

mistake to give this country over to a terrorist organisation

Dude, they were called terrorists by......

NP

To lump our current leaders with terrorists is a bit blind. Remember the winners write the history books, just look at Jpn/De.

I do agree that the levels of competence in crucial departments, well...

But terrorists??????

That's a long shot in today's environment.

K

 

[Ghazi]

Is this yet another indication that the new chief is all for continuing the attack on terrorists?

ISLAMABAD, Pakistan (CNN) -- Ten people were killed Friday evening in a suspected U.S. missile strike in Pakistan's tribal region, said a local political official and two military sources.

The suspected strike would be the first since President Obama took office Tuesday.

http://edition.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/asiapcf/01/23/pakistan.missile/index.html

On New Year's Day, two top al Qaeda terrorists were killed by a U.S. missile strike against a building in northern Pakistan, according to two senior U.S. officials.

 

[krycor]

Ah goodie, another thread about people's bias with the usual people whining..

I will just say this.. to support and extremist on either side is equally bad however i believe people who support or turn a blind eye to the oppression of others to be the lowest scum on the earth. In the end, those people usually get what they deserve in this life or thereafter.

I'm very curious as to what people believe the SA solution should have been? as those people who predominately support Israel also supported the south africa of ther past.. coincidence? I'm guessing they'd say a two state solution

 

[noxibox]

I'm very curious as to what people believe the SA solution should have been?

There are those who thought we should try to defeat ANC terrorism with military force. And no doubt there were those on the other side who thought NP terrorism should be dealt with the same way. The result would have been a potracted civil war, possibly going on for decades.

So-called liberation fighters are good at what they do, but they make terrible administrators and politicians.

Sometimes it goes smoothly. Perhaps more often not. But many countries have had their revolutions and eventually come out better on the other side.

Of course, it probably would have been easier to deal with Fatah al-Islam if the US hadn't paid them off and supplied them in order to fight Hezbollah...

Like Saddam Hussein and the Taliban.

Of course, it speaks volumes about US politics. Terrorism is OK so long as it is waged against your enemies. If it's waged against your friends, then the bawling about "innocent civilians" comes to the fore.

Hence all the brutal dictators they have supported.

There's many good examples of military achievements in defeating terrorism.

Doesn't look like they're defeating anything. Chop off one head and another two appear.

And if the government in Sri Lanka succeeds in wiping out the Tigers will the government also renounce terrorism?