Mine power cuts to hurt economy

Absolute morons, if this was a civilised country the entire Eskom board and half the cabinet would've resigned by now. We don't need the deputy president's apology, we need some accountability, she should step up and resign, take responsibility for her gross negligence. Someone needs to start suing the Eskom execs and government ministers in their personal capacity.
 
Syndyre said:
Absolute morons, if this was a civilised country the entire Eskom board and half the cabinet would've resigned by now. We don't need the deputy president's apology, we need some accountability, she should step up and resign, take responsibility for her gross negligence. Someone needs to start suing the Eskom execs and government ministers in their personal capacity.
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...whats the use...these guys get away with murder anyhow :(
 
This is a double post - I posted elsewhere. I just feel it is important enough to repeat:

Mine outages are going to cost up to 5 million people their livelihood.
600 000 odd people work in mines, and 5 million people are dependent on them (children, spouses etc).

That is 10% of the population - and EXCLUDES secondary and tertiary sectors.

Source: The Star print edition Saturday 26th.
 
Moederloos said:
This is a double post - I posted elsewhere. I just feel it is important enough to repeat:

Mine outages are going to cost up to 5 million people their livelihood.
600 000 odd people work in mines, and 5 million people are dependent on them (children, spouses etc).

That is 10% of the population - and EXCLUDES secondary and tertiary sectors.

Source: The Star print edition Saturday 26th.
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That's scary, how many marginal mines are going to have to close now because they can't afford the losses I wonder?
 
Syndyre said:
That's scary, how many marginal mines are going to have to close now because they can't afford the losses I wonder?
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What are the social consequences?
How many of those people are going to turn to crime to survive?
 
Moederloos said:
What are the social consequences?
How many of those people are going to turn to crime to survive?
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Major, and plenty I'm sure. A lot of mine workers aren't from SA but there's no chance the government will deport them.
 
Syndyre said:
Absolute morons, if this was a civilised country the entire Eskom board and half the cabinet would've resigned by now. We don't need the deputy president's apology, we need some accountability, she should step up and resign, take responsibility for her gross negligence. Someone needs to start suing the Eskom execs and government ministers in their personal capacity.
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In some countries the exec would even commit suicide at the disgrace he committed. It's happened in Japan. I'm not advocating that but we do see
a difference in the way people especially those in the positions of responsibility behave around the world, with people in
SA not giving a 0000 which is something which will always make Africa
last in the world. The carefree attitude and lack of responsibility of its
leaders both private and public reinforces the poor opinion countries
have about this continent. Why Europe, US and Japan will always trounce
the likes of South Africa in perpetuity is a given fact, and why Africa
will never be taken seriously - unless the people here start doing some
serious soul searching and start behaving responsibly.
 
PeterCH said:
In some countries the exec would even commit suicide at the disgrace he committed. It's happened in Japan. I'm not advocating that but we do see
a difference in the way people especially those in the positions of responsibility behave around the world, with people in
SA not giving a 0000 which is something which will always make Africa
last in the world. The carefree attitude and lack of responsibility of its
leaders both private and public reinforces the poor opinion countries
have about this continent. Why Europe, US and Japan will always trounce
the likes of South Africa in perpetuity is a given fact, and why Africa
will never be taken seriously - unless the people here start doing some
serious soul searching and start behaving responsibly.
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Might improve the gene pool a bit. :D The biggest problem is that there's no accountability and they face no consequences for their actions, if that isn't sorted out nothing will make a difference.
 
Moederloos said:
This is a double post - I posted elsewhere. I just feel it is important enough to repeat:

Mine outages are going to cost up to 5 million people their livelihood.
600 000 odd people work in mines, and 5 million people are dependent on them (children, spouses etc).

That is 10% of the population - and EXCLUDES secondary and tertiary sectors.

Source: The Star print edition Saturday 26th.
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This may actually be the end of this country. The final death blow.
10% is a disaster. It's a national emergency. Prepare to see
the Rand 20 to the dollar very soon and your stock options on the JSE
pretty worthless soon.
 
Syndyre said:
Might improve the gene pool a bit. :D The biggest problem is that there's no accountability and they face no consequences for their actions, if that isn't sorted out nothing will make a difference.
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I think its more than that. Take this one JAL accident which was entirely
Boeing's fault and where the JAL CEO resigned although no-one actually blamed him - the evidence was that Boeing USA screwed up in their repair work.
You see in some places people take pride in their work, and they take even more pride in their family name. Not disgracing your family which can be traced hundreds or even thousands of years is probably the no 1 paradigm
these people live by. This goes down to the lowest worker too. You have pride in your work, in your name and you don't destroy it, if you do, no-one
in your family will ever forgive you - the stigmata of disgrace and shame
is very powerful. People don't do stupid things because someone is watching over their shoulder, they don't do them because they are just like that naturally - its part of their culture. Personal ethics play a big role here. It appears that many of these leaders we have in SA in both the private abd public sectors lack them. How do you judge a person's character? Honesty, hard work, integrity, responsibility, dedication.... those values
are scarce among many of the leadership here.
 
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PeterCH said:
People don't do stupid things because someone is watching over their shoulder, they don't do them because they are just like that naturally - its part of their culture.
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So true.

I take pride in what I do - and I ensure it is done right.
And, even then, when things do go wrong - as they are bound to - I ensure it is corrected, and prevented from happening again.

This is not the way of Africa though. Accountability does not exist, and is not part of the philosophy.
Before people take me to task and point to an African with this philosophy, let me preempt that with: That particular individual has acquired the philosophy of a different culture.
 
alf101 said:
If we decided to patrol our borders and send the 20 million illegal immigrants back home, it might help.
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The government should admit to their mistakes, responsible people should resign and issue public apologies. The government should ask the outside world for help in managing the crisis, even in the form of consultants
or advisors and promise to stick to their recommendations. Above all
people should put the country above their own private bank accounts
and pockets. Its called Patriotism and is different to Nationalism.

Humility is also something many people lack. You screw up, you admit to it,
you hide your face and you leave. Hopefully you find employement in
some low key job somewhere and you're glad of that.
 
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