Minister Mkhize must step aside; Tax revolt imminent

Mike Hoxbig

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Correct. But they can't reconcile their budget...
Why would they care? They can work off a forecast. The only person being screwed by not submitting a return is often yourself.

The point of a revolt is to make sure they don't receive the money in the first place...
 

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Why would they care? They can work off a forecast. The only person being screwed by not submitting a return is often yourself.

The point of a revolt is to make sure they don't receive the money in the first place...

Point taken. The only tax revolt possible then is by provisional taxpayers and private businesses. Corporations have BEE embedded which makes them kowtow to government.
 

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These tender corruptions don't make sense to me. You mean the minister only benefited to the tune of 7k and his son got about 4m out of a 150m tender which looks 50% over inflated? Nah.
 

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These tender corruptions don't make sense to me. You mean the minister only benefited to the tune of 7k and his son got about 4m out of a 150m tender which looks 50% over inflated? Nah.
Maybe the intention was to benefit his son?
 

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Maybe the intention was to benefit his son?
Suppose could be the son is a proxy for the family. Point is you risk your job and jail on a tender where the main beneficiaries take away 80m or more and you only get like 5%?
 

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Point taken. The only tax revolt possible then is by provisional taxpayers and private businesses. Corporations have BEE embedded which makes them kowtow to government.
It's not about BEE or whatever, it's about money.

The only way for it to happen is for companies to get on board, and nobody wants to be the first. A company's main function is to make money to provide shareholder value.

Any news of a coordinated tax revolt would wreak havoc on the market, and nobody is about to send their stock price tumbling in the name of some principled stand.

Same reason why companies operate out of dodgy countries like Nigeria. They're there to make money, not fight government policies..
 

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If all taxpayers refused to submit returns but still paid taxes, SARS would be stuffed as they can't reconcile the fiscus. No country can prosecute and lock up all its taxpayers.
Frankly I doubt that would stop them. They cant reconcile the fiscus now. All this would do is give them an excuse not to table a budget. And the looting would continue.
 

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Sounds like the usual white persecution complex, unless you can explain how would you get away without paying tax if you are black, coloured or Indian?
Ask Jacob zuma how he did it. The man hasn't submitted a tax return since his first year in power. You are not stupid. why do you insist on asking facetious questions?
 

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The only way PAYE employees can participate in a tax revolt is to not submit a tax return. The government can't lock up all it's minority taxpayers.
Who'd be prepared to be guinea pigs in this little experiment? Who'd be prepared to subject themselves to jail environment to make a point? While this is possible in theory, it's impractical.
 

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You can't as an individual, a company could. But even if you could, if you are a "white person" (perception is everything) or in any way perceived as WMC, and stop paying taxes, you'll literally get the book thrown at you.
SARS doesn't look at skin colour when deciding who to throw the book at. Furthermore, which shareholders would want to expose their investment to risk of heavy fines and possible imprisonment for their execs?

Unless by companies, you're referring to "Swanie loodgieters" or "Zuma exhaust repairs" operating from backyards of their owners. But would their spouses allow it?
 

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SARS doesn't look at skin colour when deciding who to throw the book at. Furthermore, which shareholders would want to expose their investment to risk of heavy fines and possible imprisonment for their execs?

Unless by companies, you're referring to "Swanie loodgieters" or "Zuma exhaust repairs" operating from backyards of their owners. But would their spouses allow it?
Apparently Zuma managed to get away with it, so all you black are cool, if you are Zulu you can even get a refund for not paying your taxes.
 

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Who'd be prepared to be guinea pigs in this little experiment? Who'd be prepared to subject themselves to jail environment to make a point? While this is possible in theory, it's impractical.
The only realistic tax revolt is the path of leaving SA. Otherwise one has no alternative but to continue to finance corruption and ghost services until death and final estate duties.
 

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The only realistic tax revolt is the path of leaving SA. Otherwise one has no alternative but to continue to finance corruption and ghost services until death and final estate duties.
Yes, because people like you say so. The reality it is super easy to do a tax revolt, but not while the naysayers are out in numbers.
 

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Suppose could be the son is a proxy for the family. Point is you risk your job and jail on a tender where the main beneficiaries take away 80m or more and you only get like 5%?
In a non-corrupt scenario, I will be happy to have my kids receive more wealth than I have. Isn't that how most of us work towards ?

p.s. I am sure every "criminal" thinks about possibility of being caught but they hedge their bets.
 

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Yes, because people like you say so. The reality it is super easy to do a tax revolt, but not while the naysayers are out in numbers.
Explain in 3 steps how super easy it to do tax revolt for a typical PAYE taxpayer.
 
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You can't as an individual, a company could. But even if you could, if you are a "white person" (perception is everything) or in any way perceived as WMC, and stop paying taxes, you'll literally get the book thrown at you.
That is your first problem. Stop paying taxes for us and then no one can do anything. Learn from the best of us.
 

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Explain in 3 steps how super easy it to do tax revolt for a typical PAYE taxpayer.
1. All companies that pay PAYE stand together
2. all these companies in the same month refuse to pay PAYE, but informs SARS that this tax is being kept in a trust until their grievences have been resolved
3 Problem solved, easy peasy
 
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