Minister of public works and infrastructure says construction mafias will be dealt with

[Daniel Puchert]

Construction mafias in for a rude awakening

South Africa's minister of public works and infrastructure, Dean Macpherson, has warned construction mafias in the country that they will be treated as enemies of the state.

Construction mafias, also euphemistically called local business forms, use intimidation tactics to demand a percentage of pay or a protection fee from contractors working in their areas.

 

[saor]

local business forms

u wat? Sure you don't mean forums?

 

[elf_lord_ZC5]

Talk is cheaper than air, actions are what pay for and pour the whiskey.

You can talk to the whiskey bottle for 50 years, and it will not pour a drop.

 

[Quicks]

What if the ANC government is the Mafia how do you get around that. Because they have friends in the Police and mostly Police avoid these construction Mafia type because they're scared of them.

EFF 'insulted' when Macpherson says 'some parties are close to the construction mafia' | News24

As Public Works and Infrastructure Minister Dean Macpherson mentioned the construction mafia, he was interrupted by the MK Party and EFF whom he subsequently described as being "close" to the scourge plaguing established construction businesses across the country.

www.news24.com

I mean why get insulted by the mention of construction mafia if you're not one.

 

[wingnut771]

Talk is cheaper than air, actions are what pay for and pour the whiskey.

You can talk to the whiskey bottle for 50 years, and it will not pour a drop.

Tell me about it!

 

[wingnut771]

What if the ANC government is the Mafia how do you get around that. Because they have friends in the Police and mostly Police avoid these construction Mafia type because they're scared of them.

EFF 'insulted' when Macpherson says 'some parties are close to the construction mafia' | News24

As Public Works and Infrastructure Minister Dean Macpherson mentioned the construction mafia, he was interrupted by the MK Party and EFF whom he subsequently described as being "close" to the scourge plaguing established construction businesses across the country.

www.news24.com

I mean why get insulted by the mention of construction mafia if you're not one.

Stop voting.

 

[Quicks]

Stop voting.

Certainly won't bother next time.

 

[UB40]

Friday thread

 

[RedViking]

Clowns. The criminals are in government and police.

 

[wingnut771]

Certainly won't bother next time.

The only problem with this is that the zombies will still vote.

 

[Gudnews]

It's possible to have a workable relationship with them.

 

[Quicks]

It's possible to have a workable relationship with them.

But why? They shouldn't even exist.

 

[quovadis]

I'll wait for the first success story.

 

[Gudnews]

But why? They shouldn't even exist.

I'd like to think I'm being realistic, and it has been shown to work.

Alleged gang boss Ralph Stanfield ‘in bed’ with Old Mutual, Atterbury

An amaBhungane and Daily Maverick investigation reveals how entities and associates linked to gang boss accused Ralph Stanfield and his wife, Nicole Johnson, tie them to a R3bn Cape Town industrial development property project — with the blessing of developers Atterbury and Old Mutual.

www.dailymaverick.co.za

In interviews and written responses, he has confirmed that Stanfield, Johnson, their businesses, associations and associates have been involved in the development.

“While I do not approve of what Stanfield is allegedly doing, it is something for the police and the Western Cape government to sort out. It is the job of the police to investigate, arrest and put people in jail, not mine. If that happens, then I will work with whoever the next person is who the community elects to work on this project.

“I am not saying what we do is the right way, but working with community-elected businesses and people is the only way we can operate in areas like these.

“Do I know that we work where there is a Ralph on the other side? Of course I do.

“Am I happy? Of course I am not.

“But, that is the representative the community has put forward, and as long as the community and the police do not do anything about it, I am not going to say that I am not going to work with this guy.

“To be honest, I do not think it is my problem.

“As long as Ralph continues to represent the community and as long as I don’t have to pay over and above what I should be, then I will continue to work with him.”

Van der Watt said they always looked to involve a local community first.

“That has been a strategic decision of ours since 2010. It is what we did with this project when we involved the Matroosfontein community.”

He said Atterbury was one of the few companies in South Africa that managed to build in certain mafia-controlled areas and did so by involving communities from the onset of their projects.

“We do this because we know the police will not help at all. The sad fact is that the police are simply not interested in sorting out the construction mafia so we are left with no other choice but to adopt our community approach.”

 

[Quicks]

I'd like to think I'm being realistic, and it has been shown to work.

Alleged gang boss Ralph Stanfield ‘in bed’ with Old Mutual, Atterbury

An amaBhungane and Daily Maverick investigation reveals how entities and associates linked to gang boss accused Ralph Stanfield and his wife, Nicole Johnson, tie them to a R3bn Cape Town industrial development property project — with the blessing of developers Atterbury and Old Mutual.

www.dailymaverick.co.za

In interviews and written responses, he has confirmed that Stanfield, Johnson, their businesses, associations and associates have been involved in the development.

“While I do not approve of what Stanfield is allegedly doing, it is something for the police and the Western Cape government to sort out. It is the job of the police to investigate, arrest and put people in jail, not mine. If that happens, then I will work with whoever the next person is who the community elects to work on this project.

“I am not saying what we do is the right way, but working with community-elected businesses and people is the only way we can operate in areas like these.

“Do I know that we work where there is a Ralph on the other side? Of course I do.

“Am I happy? Of course I am not.

“But, that is the representative the community has put forward, and as long as the community and the police do not do anything about it, I am not going to say that I am not going to work with this guy.

“To be honest, I do not think it is my problem.

“As long as Ralph continues to represent the community and as long as I don’t have to pay over and above what I should be, then I will continue to work with him.”

Van der Watt said they always looked to involve a local community first.

“That has been a strategic decision of ours since 2010. It is what we did with this project when we involved the Matroosfontein community.”

He said Atterbury was one of the few companies in South Africa that managed to build in certain mafia-controlled areas and did so by involving communities from the onset of their projects.

“We do this because we know the police will not help at all. The sad fact is that the police are simply not interested in sorting out the construction mafia so we are left with no other choice but to adopt our community approach.”

No sorry that can't be the answer because soon as you give they will want more and more people will join because it's now easy money. Sooner than later it will be become unaffordable and you don't pay they start destroying equipment, sabotage and kill people. Nope put a total stop to it.


It's not the construction industry to feed the community. If they want money then they can apply for a job and earn the money like everyone else.

 

[Gudnews]

No sorry that can't be the answer because soon as you give they will want more and more people will join because it's now easy money. Sooner than later it will be become unaffordable and you don't pay they start destroying equipment, sabotage and kill people. Nope put a total stop to it


It's not the construction industry to feed the community. If they want money then they can apply for a job and earn the money like everyone else.

It doesn't seem like easy money to be fair. We'll see how they'll go about tackling them. Corruption isn't the biggest issue facing this country, it's inefficiency.

 

[wingnut771]

It's possible to have a workable relationship with them.

Is it possible to have a workable relationship with the Italian Mafia or the Russian Mob?

 

[The Trutherizer]

It's possible to have a workable relationship with them.

Not while they use guns as tools of their trade.

They can F right off if they think that's acceptable. Really. What you smoking man?

 

[Gudnews]

Is it possible to have a workable relationship with the Italian Mafia or the Russian Mob?

Yes. Like that's how they make money, by having workable relationships.

 

[wingnut771]

I'd like to think I'm being realistic, and it has been shown to work.

Alleged gang boss Ralph Stanfield ‘in bed’ with Old Mutual, Atterbury

An amaBhungane and Daily Maverick investigation reveals how entities and associates linked to gang boss accused Ralph Stanfield and his wife, Nicole Johnson, tie them to a R3bn Cape Town industrial development property project — with the blessing of developers Atterbury and Old Mutual.

www.dailymaverick.co.za

In interviews and written responses, he has confirmed that Stanfield, Johnson, their businesses, associations and associates have been involved in the development.

“While I do not approve of what Stanfield is allegedly doing, it is something for the police and the Western Cape government to sort out. It is the job of the police to investigate, arrest and put people in jail, not mine. If that happens, then I will work with whoever the next person is who the community elects to work on this project.

“I am not saying what we do is the right way, but working with community-elected businesses and people is the only way we can operate in areas like these.

“Do I know that we work where there is a Ralph on the other side? Of course I do.

“Am I happy? Of course I am not.

“But, that is the representative the community has put forward, and as long as the community and the police do not do anything about it, I am not going to say that I am not going to work with this guy.

“To be honest, I do not think it is my problem.

“As long as Ralph continues to represent the community and as long as I don’t have to pay over and above what I should be, then I will continue to work with him.”

Van der Watt said they always looked to involve a local community first.

“That has been a strategic decision of ours since 2010. It is what we did with this project when we involved the Matroosfontein community.”

He said Atterbury was one of the few companies in South Africa that managed to build in certain mafia-controlled areas and did so by involving communities from the onset of their projects.

“We do this because we know the police will not help at all. The sad fact is that the police are simply not interested in sorting out the construction mafia so we are left with no other choice but to adopt our community approach.”

There is not only one "forum" there are several. As soon as you make a "deal" with the first one, another one comes along and demands the same. Rinse and repeat.