Mirror (non)Trading International 2 - The Fallout

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D@leW

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I have a gut feeling it’s their MTI wallet I will look it up elsewhere it shows a transaction 4.12.2020 that’s not listed above
It's a Luno (previously BitX.co) wallet. It's also existed since before MTI, and since we can see that incoming payments are going immediately out to members it seems reasonable to assume MTI has no liquidity left, and therefore there likely isn't an MTI wallet as such.

Here's an example of an MTI transaction from 13 November: https://bitinfocharts.com/bitcoin/block/656767/3FKxPVoPmmf9sKr2rZtYutXvWXF1K9cV3e
How this differs from what I've seen before is that deposits are immediately dispersed as payments to other members, at least that's what it looks like. Lots of fairly small deposits that are immediately turned into lots of small withdrawals.

Previously deposits would be collected up and get moved around a lot, with some of it ending up in tumblers before coming back into the pool (presumably - it's impossible to track once funds are merged into a tumbling service). Now they seem to be using incoming funds to make immediate payments to other members, and if you moan enough on the groups and abuse the "expedite" button maybe your payment gets pushed up the queue to help quell dissent and enhance the illusion that things are still okay.

I think there's a good chance Christmas will help this fall apart. There must be lots of people who haven't been withdrawing much who'll want to splash out a bit at Christmas, only to find out withdrawals aren't working the same as when they did their do dilijens.
 
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soulie

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I see Luno is advertising on the radio @ 4% per year on investments with them .sounds reasonable compared to mti
 

Whyarewehere

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Also if you check trading pool balance according to mti tonight it’s 23 000 and some.... according to the mti bti address it’s only 3300 plus huge difference



same goes for the so called 250000+ members , if this was true we would not be able to keep up with following and tracking activities.
I know Lindtbolletjie ate all the people that was active on telegram groups and then asked admin to delete the names etc.
This is based on a overview /forecast by myself , so ive been monitoring total users on the previous chat groups, FB , whatsapp , telegrams.and at most 10k or 20k on one telegram group , no wherr one notice high number of likes , following or any source of interaction of high number of users.
Members complaining most of the time first timers and then they disappear- the real ones are either blocked or account suspended

1. The broker is non existent - his worse than the Swart Luiperd
2. Js en lindtbol huby paid people from their own pockets- with what money? Who did they paid? How much did they paid all of this in a bull run. Using your so called cash and give it to people while the btc price is running - really?
3.The impact of the raid by fsca - in a world where the cloud is the altimate storage solution, external hardrives , daily backups especially if its trading or financial or market driven business
4.Statement runs thats more active than the underlying ...meaning statement runs more active than bitcoin
5,A support team that you never interacted or spoke to but they are groing and increased by 20+ people with no jobs being advertised by MTi and no one besides the so called leaders working for MTi ...im not buying that one of us not be able to cross paths on social media with any of the supoort personal- meaning they non existent.
6.why mti try so hard to convince all about the stellenbosch office, if u have nothing to hide why try so hard to proof something.
7.all these charities JS is all of a sudden supporting and sponsorship millions while thenhead of communications and marketing is non existent.
8,btc prices on statement not following same price trend as other exchanges trading data indicate
9.P/L calc on statement not making sense
10.We have a bot that trade but stilmwe have days that only indicate a few hours of trading almost like a third of the day.

why no name on the farmer initiative- no name, no location, no third party , no date , no representative nothing. Just update saying nothing

All of the above could be put to bed with factual data. But nothing because their is nothing.

the small group of people that are managing the mti scam was cought with their pants down and totally overthrown by the high number of transactions caused by the bull run and increased of members.l numbers and complains hence the reason lindtboll block or suspend accounts Because its a Manuel setup (one coin for you one coin for me) they the mti group overwelmed with all activities and the raid did impact them because they operate manuel system. 85myn transactions or line items my a&se.

One can go on and on but the fact that we dont have the facts doesn’t mean its not factual.
just too many validations
You had me at the swart luiperd
 

PunisherI386

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Just curious if anyone has a map of the various accounts linked to this account based on the transactions. Is it not possible to identify the mixing accounts.
 

Wary GOM

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...and he was shouting again today:X3:
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Misspelling is a hallmark of this bunch.
I hope I am sensing a growing nervousness in these people. If it were just that transactions are generally slow on the blockchain, surely that would be a valid reason? Here they are just continuing to blame members, most probably to embarrass them so they will just shut up.
 

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Just curious if anyone has a map of the various accounts linked to this account based on the transactions. Is it not possible to identify the mixing accounts.
Would that help, though? It would be the wallets to which the btc went after mixing that are needed, not really the tumbler. If there there were a few accounts to which btc was moved often from the tumbler then this might be useful? Presumably it would then be possible to monitor movement from these. [How nice to follow from here to fiat accounts!]
 

PunisherI386

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Would that help, though? It would be the wallets to which the btc went after mixing that are needed, not really the tumbler. If there there were a few accounts to which btc was moved often from the tumbler then this might be useful? Presumably it would then be possible to monitor movement from these. [How nice to follow from here to fiat accounts!]
I'm fairly new to blockchains and bitcoin... so I could be wrong. I was just thinking that if the mixing is done by moving money between addresses, the same addresses would reappear in a map. This would be useful to understand the liquidity of MTI and give a better idea of when the end would actually be in sight.
 

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I'm fairly new to blockchains and bitcoin... so I could be wrong. I was just thinking that if the mixing is done by moving money between addresses, the same addresses would reappear in a map. This would be useful to understand the liquidity of MTI and give a better idea of when the end would actually be in sight.

The point of mixing is that if you use a proper mixer with so many input wallets that it pulls from ie. used for a very long time with many many transactions then it gets to a point that every single withdrawal start to touch almost every single part of the transaction split out from thousands of wallets and each time being thousands of different wallets.

This in itself leads to MUUUUUCH higher withdrawal fees to just get your transaction into a basic block.

That last part might be related to when they do send out withdrawals that comes with a modest minimum fee it still sits as unconfirmed for days since even that minimum fee is not enough to cover the KB used across thousands of wallets combined transactions to form a single transaction.

The end is already in sight, they do not have enough BTC or even close to it. They are now in the "buying time" phase and eventually will be entering the "we had grown too quickly and thus MTI failed" phase.
 
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