Mirror (non)Trading International 2 - The Fallout

[PsyWulf]

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Rough day for profits

 

[Frikkadel23]

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This seems to be the antie in the middle.

so it seems that those bitcoinaires now have more than 1bitcoin in mti.
that means they will keep their Bitcoin in mti. They don’t want to lose that status.
some people will be losing that status soon, either way.

 

[Bsouthafrica]

I’m starting to think all these schemes have the same people involved they invest, set it up and then catch all the down members .... learn what works and what doesn’t. Then close it and start again. The first members to join will always make money. It’s the bottom layer that loses. I even thinK there are top layer members that get in make money and then get out and look for the next scheme. I can’t imagine earning a living and making money while others lose even if they are stupid or gullible. Thank you to everyone for this group !!!! I have a ton of work but also learning code part time .... I’m going to download the first mti sql database That was leaked And see if I can get evidence or link certain constant members for future scams.

 

[PsyWulf]

I’m starting to think all these schemes have the same people involved they invest, set it up and then catch all the down members

Aka the Founders Pool - most that got to join even before the Website opened up for members

 

[LJ1234]

Yes it is, they've also "hosted" other MTI stuff.

Still boggles my mind how much "effort" these people put in for an opportunity which is meant to be passive

These people make me sick...like, actually, fully, completely, to the core, physically sick. Go beg and/or borrow money and put it in MTI. What the actual f**k you **** #%#%^#** *#@%()#$*%&#% **&%^#^#($&% morons.

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Am I the only one that wants to say: "Are we there yet?" Can't this ponzi just roll over and die now?

 

[Frikkadel23]

I’m starting to think all these schemes have the same people involved they invest, set it up and then catch all the down members .... learn what works and what doesn’t. Then close it and start again. The first members to join will always make money. It’s the bottom layer that loses. I even thinK there are top layer members that get in make money and then get out and look for the next scheme. I can’t imagine earning a living and making money while others lose even if they are stupid or gullible. Thank you to everyone for this group !!!! I have a ton of work but also learning code part time .... I’m going to download the first mti sql database That was leaked And see if I can get evidence or link certain constant members for future scams.

The lindballetjies vrou was giving a chat at the finalmente. The top layers guys are all addicted knowing how easy the money is.
that’s why we need all the leaders arrested .

 

[Venator]

My friend is a so-called founding member. He actually borrowed 1 BTC to contribute to JS's scheme before the company got registered. He swears blind there is no scam and everything is legit. He is now a philanthropist whereas previously he worked his butt off, like the rest of us.

I honestly don't see the allure of easy money. Have these people never experienced that sweet sweet satisfaction of putting in effort and actually achieving something - something you know you earned and can be genuinely proud of instead of having to lie about how you did it?

 

[expedite]

I honestly don't see the allure of easy money. Have these people never experienced that sweet sweet satisfaction of putting in effort and actually achieving something - something you know you earned and can be genuinely proud of instead of having to lie about how you did it?

Nope. He goes from one bad deal to the next. There is some pathological fallibility at play; I don't know what it is.

 

[psssst]

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This seems to be the antie in the middle.

Studies or studied ??? - i read: professional masters makeitup artist....
The picture of Liz and her brother must be from 1983 if one consider the hairstyle . _

Garcia International ....mmmmm !!! I bet little mis sunflower in the back is related to liz if one consider the eyes and teeth . Question, is that a neckless or could it be....????

 

[Decor13]

When you advertise all over facebook, even on the Indian pages, you know desperation has set in...




Maybe that's why he despises us, haters, so much!! We are jealous and have self doubt!!

 

[Venator]

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Right, right, right......people don't criticize me because what I'm doing is wrong or perhaps that I'm just making a mistake....no no no, these people are clearly selfish and just soooooo jealous of what I have. They just want to see me, a complete stranger to them, fail.

Good grief, I'm starting to think that if there could ever be a perpetual motion machine, it would be powered by narcissism.

 

[newby_investor]

I honestly don't see the allure of easy money. Have these people never experienced that sweet sweet satisfaction of putting in effort and actually achieving something - something you know you earned and can be genuinely proud of instead of having to lie about how you did it?

There is such a thing as easy money but it's very rare. Popular entertainers for example get paid very well compared with the amount of effort that they put in. It's not necessarily dishonest.

The numbers of these kinds of opportunities are vanishing small and basically all come down to being lucky. Most folks have to work a bit if they want to make an honest wage.

Work isn't so sexy though.

 

[aofafrica]

so it seems that those bitcoinaires now have more than 1bitcoin in mti.
that means they will keep their Bitcoin in mti. They don’t want to lose that status.
some people will be losing that status soon, either way.

Status is a very interesting word when used in this context.

Ego - so fragile, so easily abused.

 

[psssst]

True, I was just trying to establish that if the investor is the one committing fraud, at which point in the chain would that be. I don't know what the laws are on this, but I'd imagine that if you created and KYC'd one Luno account, and then created multiple MTI accounts in order to "scam the scam", I don't know if that would technically be regarded as fraud in the eyes of the law.

It's all just such a hot mess.

The thing is you don't need Luno specifically , you can use other non regulated wallets to change Rands to Bitcoin

i always say if u without any fault or sin then pick the stone and give it your best shot...ive never been hit or took part..with that said ,The Luno move was irresponsible, the risk for both parties could be devastating( with a partner like MTI)and also its criminal.....the law is clear and laywers and judges wil eat fraud cases for breakfast especially with corruption these days. just be reliefed you became aware and could fix it ..for now it could be seen as a mistake(not a sensible one by the family) due to greed blogging the minds..

MTI is non compliant when it comes to FICA or FAIS act even though they should be, they not because of a few reasons if u ask me ,

FICA : not sure how many members is legal and have id’s could be a driving factor,i mean look at that Marius Viljoen and Peter Muller characters....this wil slow them down and also they not in for the long run meaning keep docs for i think 5yrs..also a big factor is cost. It wil be expensive to do that and alsothey will have to get a automated system not a manual one like the piece of sh*%t they call a system or platform..im sure they bult this one themselves using Wix or godaddy free programs..

FAIS : u need a brain,logic, financial skill, people skill and most importantly along with code of conduct should have the ability to tell the truth...unfortunately non of the MTI leaders indicate or ilistrate any of these as part of the behavior or values and don’t be fooled by JS smart talking...he reads everything when he presents or opens his mouth ..we might as well refer to him as a Puppet...with lindbolletjie being the Puppet-master....

 

[psssst]

There is such a thing as easy money but it's very rare. Popular entertainers for example get paid very well compared with the amount of effort that they put in. It's not necessarily dishonest.

The numbers of these kinds of opportunities are vanishing small and basically all come down to being lucky. Most folks have to work a bit if they want to make an honest wage.

Work isn't so sexy though.

agree but the money that flows with these scams is crazy and i can see why they take the risk.i tried to track my btc moving trough wallets etc..and noted the ammounts that left wallets trough withdraws...

its not pocket change but one could see clearly when they start to struggle ..
from mid to end of october the values start to get smaller and they already withdraw huge ammounts and that pool figure on the main screen when u lock into mti - is fake..

but i just scanned trough the transactions and did not document it but high-level overview its clear the top guys got the big bucks and it filter down getting smaller..but u need more than one person to figure out their moves..and it wil take time..

maybe i wil share my findings aplicable to me and one will clearly see(my opinion) how they funnel the cash scraping everything that came in towards their wallets..

 

[Chin-anon]

hi All.

I have been following both threads from the beginning and have been silently frustrated as everyone I think.

I have family members that are brainwashed and heavily invested and no matter what I say and even though they admit they don’t understand it and are gullible they believe it is 100% safe.
They have also opened accounts in my kids names without my permission and even asked me to send photos of them holding their ID for KYC.

Then on top of that I work in Stellenbosch about 50m from MTI head office where I can see nothing happening. I have also on a number of occasions seen Usher Bell in meetings around town. I know he is extremely well off and involved in a huge property development with other MTI members and leaders.
This is the new Stellenbosch mafia. The one that Marcus Jooste was so desperate to be a part of.

I really hope it comes to and end soon although I will feel sorry for my family who are in for millions....

 

[MONTHEBIFF733B]

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Most Ponzi pimps are stuck in a brain unable to deduce that quantifiable, damaging, embarrassing proof of a scam holds more weight than edgy, teenager “evidence” that any voice of reason is simply jelly of their success. The rest of the pimps are in on the scam



Dis nou nie so kort en bondig soos sy post nie, maar ek like myne steeds meer!

 

[Venator]

hi All.

I have been following both threads from the beginning and have been silently frustrated as everyone I think.

I have family members that are brainwashed and heavily invested and no matter what I say and even though they admit they don’t understand it and are gullible they believe it is 100% safe.
They have also opened accounts in my kids names without my permission and even asked me to send photos of them holding their ID for KYC.

Then on top of that I work in Stellenbosch about 50m from MTI head office where I can see nothing happening. I have also on a number of occasions seen Usher Bell in meetings around town. I know he is extremely well off and involved in a huge property development with other MTI members and leaders.
This is the new Stellenbosch mafia. The one that Marcus Jooste was so desperate to be a part of.

I really hope it comes to and end soon although I will feel sorry for my family who are in for millions....

To be perfectly honest, I'd give them a fair warning of legal action. I do hope you didn't send those photos as doing so could be construed as you giving consent.

 

[LJ1234]

My friend is a so-called founding member. He actually borrowed 1 BTC to contribute to JS's scheme before the company got registered. He swears blind there is no scam and everything is legit. He is now a philanthropist whereas previously he worked his butt off, like the rest of us.

Definition of philanthropist​

: one who makes an active effort to promote human welfare : a person who practices philanthropy.

I have for the past 20 years actively promoted human welfare...and I work my butt off. For a moment I wondered how I got this so wrong...then I realised that I don't have money to throw at the problem...I give my time, energy and expertise.

It is weird to think that you can make money dishonestly and feel better about it by donating to causes. Robin Hood complex, except it is the little guys that you are stealing from.

 

[MONTHEBIFF733B]

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Hey bra Andries wdf beteken "potentiality"? Maybe that's the secret ingredient