Mirror (non)Trading International 2 - The Fallout

[aofafrica]

Joel can't put his earnings in the US banking system I reckon. Wants the house but has to pay "Investors" with BTC to dribble the cash in?

 

[D@leW]

You see! Johan left the country on 2 Dec, look at how this was introduced to the thread, and how it is now an established fact? Is It?

Of course we saw a video which suggests he is not in South Africa - has he fled? is he on Holiday? Is he on a business trip? yes he has grown a beard, which seems to have taken Cheri aback a bit, but is this evidence of something? The simple question is - is this 2nd Dec statement a fact?

I wasn't aware that Wary GOM was the Keeper of the Facts for this group, nor that we'd reached a consensus within the group that he definitely left the country on 2 Dec. The evidence is too weak to make that conclusion in my opinion, but feel free to carry on assuming that everyone here believes the same things or that there is somehow a need prove all opinions to be true on an open forum.

 

[quovadis]

Joel can't put his earnings in the US banking system I reckon. Wants the house but has to pay "Investors" with BTC to dribble the cash in?

He's definitely attempting to obscure some form of property purchase.

 

[quovadis]

You see! Johan left the country on 2 Dec, look at how this was introduced to the thread, and how it is now an established fact? Is It?

Of course we saw a video which suggests he is not in South Africa - has he fled? is he on Holiday? Is he on a business trip? yes he has grown a beard, which seems to have taken Cheri aback a bit, but is this evidence of something? The simple question is - is this 2nd Dec statement a fact?

We have a travel and telecommunications bot which is proprietary and tracks the movement of people of interest. It has determined unquestionably that Johann Steynberg has passed through customs and exited the Republic of South Africa and his mobile phone is only accessible via international roaming. All interaction on Johann's personal blockchain has originated outside of ZA. We have members who have seen our bot and what it can do. It exists. If you do not like it, you're welcome to leave.

 

[Wary GOM]

The following names [+] were mentioned elsewhere [with their withdrawals at a certain date].

• Ignatius Bell – 273 BTC (~$2.9 million)
• Ignatius Michael Bell (second account) – 183.58702 BTC (~$2 million)
• Clynton Marks (MTI admin) – 130.20470 BTC (~$1.4 million)
• Alice Potgieter – 110.46455 BTC (~$1.2 million)
• M Bell (third account) – 79.30734 BTC (~$867,979)
• George Beetge – 76.57953 BTC (~$838,124)
• Kathleen Meinking – 75.8 BTC (~$829,593)
• Nico van der Merwe – 58.22434 BTC (~$637,236)
• Sean Logan – 45.06488 BTC (~$493,212)
• Henriette Bell – 44.57892 BTC (~$488,464)
• Johannes Fourie – 42.18916 BTC (~$462,279)

Are these figures still the same? [Meaning: Has anyone on the list taken out more money since?]
I also wonder how many of the "downstream's upper levels" KNOWS it's likely a scam yet happily withdrew huge amounts while they *could*?

Most probably quite a few. Being upper levels they were recruited early in a recruiter's programme so are probably close friends and family. If a top-level member knew (and most probably do by now), they would be highly likely to warn their immediate circle.

 

[expedite]

The following names [+] were mentioned elsewhere [with their withdrawals at a certain date].

• Ignatius Bell – 273 BTC (~$2.9 million)
• Ignatius Michael Bell (second account) – 183.58702 BTC (~$2 million)
• Clynton Marks (MTI admin) – 130.20470 BTC (~$1.4 million)
• Alice Potgieter – 110.46455 BTC (~$1.2 million)
• M Bell (third account) – 79.30734 BTC (~$867,979)
• George Beetge – 76.57953 BTC (~$838,124)
• Kathleen Meinking – 75.8 BTC (~$829,593)
• Nico van der Merwe – 58.22434 BTC (~$637,236)
• Sean Logan – 45.06488 BTC (~$493,212)
• Henriette Bell – 44.57892 BTC (~$488,464)
• Johannes Fourie – 42.18916 BTC (~$462,279)

Are these figures still the same? [Meaning: Has anyone on the list taken out more money since?]
I also wonder how many of the "downstream's upper levels" KNOWS it's likely a scam yet happily withdrew huge amounts while they *could*?

Alice Potgieter, Nico van der Merwe and Rxnx Bxchlxng are essentially the same person.

 

[Wary GOM]

I do have a vested interest in mti if it doesnt fold my integrity and reputation are down the drain hence my obsessive attention to the topic.

I certainly can understand and sympathise there.

 

[aofafrica]

We have a travel and telecommunications bot which is proprietary and tracks the movement of people of interest. It has determined unquestionably that Johann Steynberg has passed through customs and exited the Republic of South Africa and his mobile phone is only accessible via international roaming. All interaction on Johann's personal blockchain has originated outside of ZA. We have members who have seen our bot and what it can do. It exists. If you do not like it, you're welcome to leave.

I use this bot to keep my wife out of the lindt aisle. Don't want her packing on the pounds like someone we know.

 

[quovadis]

I use this bot to keep my wife out of the lindt aisle. Don't want her packing on the pounds like someone we know.

250,000 users and growing by the day!

 

[PsyWulf]

I wasn't aware that Wary GOM was the Keeper of the Facts for this group, nor that we'd reached a consensus within the group that he definitely left the country on 2 Dec. The evidence is too weak to make that conclusion in my opinion, but feel free to carry on assuming that everyone here believes the same things or that there is somehow a need prove all opinions to be true on an open forum.

Just add the mti-worshipper mong to ignore. Selective quotes and trying to make issues where there are none

 

[PsyWulf]

I have to say, the tone in this message is considerably different from the others. Maybe getting fed up with this lot?

Suspiciously cherism

 

[PunisherI386]

We have a travel and telecommunications bot which is proprietary and tracks the movement of people of interest. It has determined unquestionably that Johann Steynberg has passed through customs and exited the Republic of South Africa and his mobile phone is only accessible via international roaming. All interaction on Johann's personal blockchain has originated outside of ZA. We have members who have seen our bot and what it can do. It exists. If you do not like it, you're welcome to leave.

You forgot one key fact. The bot is never wrong.

 

[Waldman Jordaan]

Very different tone. Almost like more than 1 person is manning the account.

I wanted to say bi-polar ...

 

[PunisherI386]

It would if the said deposits didn't exist

Like I said. Talking to you is a waste of time... it's public ledger that the entire bitcoin network runs on...

 

[D@leW]

Yes, I don't believe anyone disputes any of this. But think how foolish it looks when everyone cries "the site is down, the thieves have flown" it's over it's done --- the investors panic, then the site comes back up, the leaders appear all calm, business as usual and chastise their members for getting spooked by those stupid naysayers, how much easier is it for the next downtime to last a little longer, and perhaps disguise the real thing.

That was my first impression, when reading every one of these pages from start to finish, and virtually every day, someone stated that that day was the end of the operation, and then 1000 pages later they still in operation. I don't doubt there are experts on here, but as a body of work there is no attestation to that expertise.

Is this your first time in an open forum? I guess I'm just not feeling the same collective foolery that apparently occurs due to some individuals speculating that the end might be nigh a bit more often than is necessary.

You've obviously exaggerating your claim ("virtually every day", "1000 pages later"), and I can only think of petty reasons for you to have decided to join the conversation at this late stage when your primary aim seems to be to rebuke a few people for being a bit over-eager in predicting the end of the scam.

 

[PsyWulf]

Is this your first time in an open forum? I guess I'm just not feeling the same collective foolery that apparently occurs due to some individuals speculating that the end might be nigh a bit more often than is necessary.

You've obviously exaggerating your claim ("virtually every day", "1000 pages later"), and I can only think of petty reasons for you to have decided to join the conversation at this late stage when your primary aim seems to be to rebuke a few people for being a bit over-eager in predicting the end of the scam.

I think cheribot isn't used to discussions in a forum that's not sanitized to have unified support (aka delete anything you don't agree with)

It must be grinding his/her/their bits to not be able to control and orchestrate as usual..and it shows

 

[JohnStarr]

Let's get serious. There have been issues, there have been promises of payouts and restoration of lost links. Most of the sale can appear plausible. But we are approaching a point now where non payment and lost data, are losing justifiable explantations. At this point in time are there still people who have not been paid? Are there still people missing down lines, and are there still missing transactions? The longer that persists the harder it's going to be to appease the membership

Which side of the fence are you really on here? It appears as if you flip-flop quite a bit. Invested with MTI, or simply checking what's going on (like I am)?

 

[MissKnow-a-Little]

 

[JohnStarr]

This theme of appearances seems quite common on this thread, and I must say also comedic. I am strongly invested in mti. But never made a blockchain transaction in my life.

And there we have it. Trust...window...out.

Now you're going to end up getting pounded here by people who have followed this for a LONG time. Enjoy it...

 

[Def-e-nition]

Most of the sale can appear plausible. But we are approaching a point now where non payment and lost data, are losing justifiable explantations. At this point in time are there still people who have not been paid? Are there still people missing down lines, and are there still missing transactions?

As Long as cash is flowing , incoming into members wallets:they couldnt give a damn .The cult runs thick , and deep .
There are plenty of people totally enfuriated that delays in withdrawals are somehow keeping their money out of wallet, and also out of Trade . I'm willing to bet you though, that no matter how many delays there are: That not a single recruiter has seen the light, and somehow repented, jumped ship , and begun unwinding the mess. Not one . The mathematical probabilities of therefore knowing 40, say, complete Troglodyte recruiters, with no collective brain capacity , is 0 . A nought.

Except with Mti . Knowingly taking other people's money, on the broad-back basis that it's "earned' , is what i find completely repulsive. Even this chopp who earlier said : "lets see how it unfolds " , knowing full and well it's a scam, but instead sticking around backing himself on the 0.00000000006%chance it will be legal (FOMO, Shem ) deserves to be burned at the stake.