Mirror (non)Trading International 2 - The Fallout

[JohnStarr]

Check out dishonest.co.za. The relevant details are there, including how to get to the onion site.

Awesome, thanks!

 

[Waldman Jordaan]

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Tech guys, I don't know if this really means anything.

Haha, looks like MTI has now outsourced support to an Indian call center (sweatshop).

(and I know what ZENDesk is)

 

[genfour]

So what Gensix was saying: After 293 pages of professional expert financial market commentary, predictions and forecasts, and thousands and thousands of expert opinion pieces posted, the phoenix keeps rising from the ashes to ridicule the expert analysis.

 

[PsyWulf]

So what Gensix was saying: After 293 pages of professional expert financial market commentary, predictions and forecasts, the phoenix keeps rising from the ashes to ridicule the expert analysis.

And gensix's opinion on the matter was,to quote him,lacking of any substance or fact

 

[Wary GOM]

No it won't. They already have a reputation. It means nothing.

I fear that you are correct, although it does depend on how the authorities follow up any crash. If the main people are brought to court and found guilty, that is a different thing from Cheri getting off with a Not Guilty verdict. For a start they would not be able to trade or to register a company.

 

[PsyWulf]

No it won't. They already have a reputation. It means nothing.

There was some past,but much of it was more dubious that outright scumbaggy,and not at this scale anyway

 

[Waldman Jordaan]

I fear that you are correct, although it does depend on how the authorities follow up any crash. If the main people are brought to court and found guilty, that is a different thing from Cheri getting off with a Not Guilty verdict. For a start they would not be able to trade or to register a company.

I believe that is why the FSCA seized the 'evidence' when they did. It should give the best evidence going forward in how complicit these 'leaders' are in all of this. I believe the timing was just right. Obviously the 'leaders' will try and delete or obfuscate all their doing, but that what the FSCA already have in their possession, should turn out to be golden when the trials and depositions are in process.

 

[genfour]

And gensix's opinion on the matter was,to quote him,lacking of any substance or fact

I think MTI leaders feeling a bit musky. Maybe they will make some MTI shorts -- I see they don't even respond much to market shorts anymore, they've realized how much credibility repeated failed market calls generate.

 

[expedite]

Welcome genfour - are you gensix's replacement?

No, that's genfive

 

[Wary GOM]

So what Gensix was saying: After 293 pages of professional expert financial market commentary, predictions and forecasts, the phoenix keeps rising from the ashes to ridicule the expert analysis.

That was what (s)he was saying but it is just like so much MTI obfuscation: it does not directly address an issue. Exactly like Cheri's comments on the FSCA raid and the demonstration that was given of what MTI calls live trading - there was only negative substance, no evidence that either the raid was not allowed to proceed or that live trading was demonstrated. So far MTI has only been directly given one binding instruction and that was the Texas SEC ruling. MTI has not addressed this and is therefore still listed as an illegal MLM in Texas. Three SA magistrates in three different Provinces gave permission for search and seize raids and no matter how Cheri protested, her house was searched. The FSCA media release was addressed to potential investors, as has much of the material on this thread. Other media reports have taken much the same course, awaiting the outcome of the investigation of materials seized in the raid.

MTI has not yet even begun to face legal action. Talking of arising from the ashes is wishful thinking: all that has happened is that MTI has proven that South Africa has talented crooks and woefully cult-clinging people.

 

[genfour]

I believe that is why the FSCA seized the 'evidence' when they did. It should give the best evidence going forward in how complicit these 'leaders' are in all of this. I believe the timing was just right. Obviously the 'leaders' will try and delete or obfuscate all their doing, but that what the FSCA already have in their possession, should turn out to be golden when the trials and depositions are in process.

To be honest, after UA told Cheri there is nothing the FSCA can do to them, I think she is completely convinced of that and all her decisions reflect that belief. I see she has now also evolved that belief a little. She now believes that when regulation is finalized in a year or two, the FSCA will have to give them (MTI) time to comply.

In her mind she see's a roadblock free three years future in SA.

And OH -- I don't think ethics, morals or reputation mean anything to scammers.

 

[expedite]

Initially I thought you were too heavily into finding a Cheri behind every bush, but now I think you were at least partly correct. The style is a bit too consistent in long and short posts as well as ones where (s)he has written in a hurry. However, I still am not sure about Cheri: too carefully written and much, much too little emotion.

Heck I have no idea if gensix is Cherie or not, but he / she is a poepol non the less.

 

[MissKnow-a-Little]

Initially I thought you were too heavily into finding a Cheri behind every bush, but now I think you were at least partly correct. The style is a bit too consistent in long and short posts as well as ones where (s)he has written in a hurry. However, I still am not sure about Cheri: too carefully written and much, much too little emotion.

Also too few spelling/grammar errors.

 

[Spxdxrbxtxs]

You never find this type of thing happening in the corporate world, lots of telegram messages, lots of zoom calls, but you do get sucking up but noting like this.
You never get people telling everyone what a great COO and great CEO etc etc.
You don't get unknowns suddenly spewing love in pubic for the bosses and what they do .
This is so unprofessional.
Its actually sickening.
The sucking up is worse than david spade in boneheads.
if you haven't seen the movie, i suggest you do its brilliant.

Coneheads?

 

[IndigoIdentity]

That was what (s)he was saying but it is just like so much MTI obfuscation: it does not directly address an issue. Exactly like Cheri's comments on the FSCA raid and the demonstration that was given of what MTI calls live trading - there was only negative substance, no evidence that either the raid was not allowed to proceed or that live trading was demonstrated. So far MTI has only been directly given one binding instruction and that was the Texas SEC ruling. MTI has not addressed this and is therefore still listed as an illegal MLM in Texas. Three SA magistrates in three different Provinces gave permission for search and seize raids and no matter how Cheri protested, her house was searched. The FSCA media release was addressed to potential investors, as has much of the material on this thread. Other media reports have taken much the same course, awaiting the outcome of the investigation of materials seized in the raid.

MTI has not yet even begun to face legal action. Talking of arising from the ashes is wishful thinking: all that has happened is that MTI has proven that South Africa has talented crooks and woefully cult-clinging people.

I'm certainly no expert when it comes to criminal investigations but what I have heard is that typically criminal investigators don't like to waste their own time. They won't attempt to make cases around small offences, they'll let them stack and attempt to gather enough evidence over time so as to ensure that any charges that are laid will stick and the guilty parties will have to face the full extent of the law for their transgressions as a result.

Atleast, that's how I figure investigations like this to work. MTI done some bad already but is it enough to bury them? I think when the paw paw eventually hits the fan then it will be a large enough issue to do just that.

 

[5c short]

I trust these GenX’s about as much as I trust a Gen2

 

[IndigoIdentity]

I trust these GenX’s about as much as I trust a Gen2

Just saying but this might actually be the famed MTI bot in action

 

[genfour]

This bunch

I'm certainly no expert when it comes to criminal investigations but what I have heard is that typically criminal investigators don't like to waste their own time. They won't attempt to make cases around small offences, they'll let them stack and attempt to gather enough evidence over time so as to ensure that any charges that are laid will stick and the guilty parties will have to face the full extent of the law for their transgressions as a result.

Atleast, that's how I figure investigations like this to work. MTI done some bad already but is it enough to bury them? I think when the paw paw eventually hits the fan then it will be a large enough issue to do just that.

Given what's at stake, It is my opinion that an institution such as FSCA would be obligated to shut this operation down asap to prevent financial loss to thousands, immediately upon obtaining any , --any-- incriminating evidence , and not pursue the greater goal of prosecution, etc. Yes they should make referrals to SARS, SAPS etc --- the only plausible explanation for their approach , is that they know there is wrongdoing, they know there is skullduggery, but they have nothing at this point.

Rather than follow maniacal wishful thinking, I think I am going to sit tight and wait for the release of the FSCA findings, before trying to predict further scenario's

 

[psssst]

Most of what he posted has been quoted by myself and others. He did post a statement which I saved ... It's prior to the leak so from it I assume we could identify him. Coz that's how we roll..

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We can most def exclude lindbolletjie and Peterlene (peter muller) from the list — most of the words he used they dont have it in their vocabulary.
Copy paste also out becouse they dont know how to do that either!!!!

 

[PsyWulf]

I trust these GenX’s about as much as I trust a Gen2

My Gen8 serves me pretty well