Mirror (non)Trading International 2 - The Fallout

[soulie]

The word you are looking for is "cue".

Que.it is .

 

[JSbot]

Well, they wont ever say that the broker physically checked that the bitcoin is there as it means they admit that all members fees are accounted for which is obviously impossible.

My guess, maybe genbot is right (starting to wonder how he has so much info and whether his ip posting was actually a real honeypot).

The thing is though, them screaming FSCA leaked the Johans location and put him at risk is just going to feed the hivemind and make it easier to say at a later point well hey guys we're moving to an "unregulated" space so as to be away from the banks attempts on Johans life or whatever blah.

All this nonsens about 007 emails and them taking control is only going to feed the idea that they have a real system in place with controls, checks and measures which is obviously utter bs.

Plot twist indeed though I still see 0 chance of Johan coming back to SA.

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The word you are looking for is "cue".

Thank you

 

[DesertWrangler]

Interesting twist posted in the MTI Tech Assist, apparently they heard back from the broker confirming the BTC is there, (but not yet physically verified leaving them an out to later claim it is all gone).

Also they spoke to Johan and everything will be back to normal in 5 days.

What was the goal here? To buy more time and tell everyone that all withdrawals needs to go back to stage 1 so everything can be checked by the new people doing the work thus restarting the payout window and allowing more time for a few last fools to be parted with their money?
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This is an old post, from before Johann went missing.

 

[IndigoIdentity]

Hm don't even need a name change - just register MTI in brazil - it's quick and easy , but would need a slight variation to bypass

MTI EXPORTACAO E REPRESENTACAO LTDA. (BRAZIL)​

Given that they stopped marketing the brand of MTI, I guess it's going to be a new name. Also so much bad press on MTI at the moment as i pointed out in the previous posting.

Let's not forget too Mr. Bell hinting at a new opportunity?

 

[John Tempus]

Interesting twist posted in the MTI Tech Assist, apparently they heard back from the broker confirming the BTC is there, (but not yet physically verified leaving them an out to later claim it is all gone).

Also they spoke to Johan and everything will be back to normal in 5 days.

What was the goal here? To buy more time and tell everyone that all withdrawals needs to go back to stage 1 so everything can be checked by the new people doing the work thus restarting the payout window and allowing more time for a few last fools to be parted with their money?
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All bullshit. Lots of vague bullshit spewed in that reply.. Legal legal corporate corporate blah blah blah.

Oh and here we have apparently another "Johann" in the mix ROFLMAO.

 

[Wary GOM]

IMHO there’s too much focus on the CPA. The Collective Investment Schemes Control act is what they fall foul of primarily - https://www.gov.za/sites/default/files/gcis_document/201409/a45-020.pdf

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100%. That is why some while ago I pointed out that MTI was a CIS and have banged on about it rather often. No matter how they wriggle on anything else, a number of the senior members will be in trouble because of this. That is also why I keep saying that it doesn't matter at all whether they are taking in bitcoin, sheep or lindt balls; these are assets (securities) that members invest with the expectation of a return.

 

[JSbot]

Given that they stopped marketing the brand of MTI, I guess it's going to be a new name. Also so much bad press on MTI at the moment as i pointed out in the previous posting.

Well of course we cannot be sure of the scheme , but they surely realize that they cannot keep running MTI as is , even sans Johan - because they have to negate the FSCA issues. So Johan the guilty is MIA , new operators, new server i just get the sense that they gonna come up with a new entity with everything simply trasferred over.

The intrigue is fun - How does it play out

And to any Schizo this does not imply that I am suggesting they will be absolved of anything by this course - but it does provide continuity

 

[John Tempus]

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Given that the Broker is trade300 and Johan is trade300 in between the lines they are sayig we have made communication with Johan , he has assured us that all the bitcoin is there and he will work with us to continue the scam but from a hidden location.

So with this twist , do they payout on Monday or do they come up with another stalling tactic?

The operations continue apparently without Johan

The server is now in another country

All that remains is the name change, likely to a Brazilian registered entity

Server cannot be in another country. The software used is a "SAAS" offering and the owners MAXTRA host their software for clients. So if this is their story then it is already loaded with bullshit lies or they now magically find a software replacement.

 

[JohnStarr]

Stupidity.

The cracks are starting to show: I've had more people come out of the woodwork now, telling me how much they've invested.

I'm shocked.

Tuesday night was a baptism of fire for me, and only re instilled my gumption to be anti-mlm.

Sickens me to think that ordinary people, with successful ordinary jobs, are so fleeced by their upline to go to such lengths.

Sjoe, that's hectic. I was chatting to my wife this morning over coffee and telling her all about this. I buy about R300 worth of crypto, and mainly XRP, each month. It's small but it's done off a local and verified exchange, and it keeps me interested in that.
What I did say to her was that there are so many people willing to part with large sums of cash, and this was a good example. Another one was the run that BTC started on in 2018 and I was personally told that some had cashed in pensions to buy. And then it crashed. It's just too volatile to pump large amounts of cash into it.
And this has the clear markings of being a Ponzi. In this day and age where information is literally at your fingertips, you'd assume that people would know what to Google, and that there is no quick way to make a buck.

 

[John Tempus]

Well of course we cannot be sure of the scheme , but they surely realize that they cannot keep running MTI as is , even sans Johan - because they have to negate the FSCA issues. So Johan the guilty is MIA , new operators, new server i just get the sense that they gonna come up with a new entity with everything simply trasferred over.

Johann is not the only guilty, just the one that is missing. None of this remove any legalities from the other founders involved such as Cheri and friends. So this changes nothing from the ongoing legal issues, in fact this just makes it 100x worse for those who are still stuck here in SA who would have to face the music.

 

[John Tempus]

... and that there is no quick way to make a buck.

Sorta true.

There are many quick ways to make a buck however the hardest part and this one does not come easy is to figure out how to hold onto your quick buck.

 

[JohnStarr]

Interesting twist posted in the MTI Tech Assist, apparently they heard back from the broker confirming the BTC is there, (but not yet physically verified leaving them an out to later claim it is all gone).

Also they spoke to Johan and everything will be back to normal in 5 days.

What was the goal here? To buy more time and tell everyone that all withdrawals needs to go back to stage 1 so everything can be checked by the new people doing the work thus restarting the payout window and allowing more time for a few last fools to be parted with their money?
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5 days means my prediction of 25/12 when this all collapses is spot on. I'll be taking all your contributions in non-existant BTC, thanks very much!
I will share my wallet ID on the 25th. Feel free to deposit what you can! ;-)

 

[Thugscub]

JSBot no idea where you popped out of, Cheri?
You have no history here. You have not read the whole thread.
You have not replied to my questions.
In my opinion go fk yourself and your bullshit stories.

 

[Waldman Jordaan]

I'm a bit in 2 minds about who I add there...I've got pics for him and Cheri and the other Ward goons...but the titles shown are all "Trainer & Presenter", and we all know they are not limited to that in any way shape or form.

Doesn't it say "founding Member" or something in the write-ups below their pictures?

 

[Venator]

This is an old post, from before Johann went missing.

Just out of interest...the MTI update said that "Clynton and Nerina received an automated emergency email to say that Johann had not logged into the MTI system for 12 hours". This was apparently on the 14 of December.

But we know that Johann left way earlier in December, and the location seemed to be Sao Paulo. Now my question is, what would be the quickest flight from SA to Brazil? Or more precisely, would there not be a point where Johann wouldn't be able to log into the system for 12 hours if he was on a flight?

We know there was no automated email or whatever other hogwash they're trying to spin.....just trying to poke around and see where we can find some blatant holes in their story.

 

[Venator]

Doesn't it say "founding Member" or something in the write-ups below their pictures?

Nope

 

[JohnStarr]

Johann is not the only guilty, just the one that is missing. None of this remove any legalities from the other founders involved such as Cheri and friends. So this changes nothing from the ongoing legal issues, in fact this just makes it 100x worse for those who are still stuck here in SA who would have to face the music.

From what I read she was involved with something else. Surely the FCSA should have her under tabs to check on her dealings? Or will they use what is happening now to go after her in retrospect?
Surely you cannot be that thick to fall for something like this a second time? Or is it "Fool me once, shame on me. Fool me twice, shame on...oh hell! Again????"

 

[John Tempus]

JSBot no idea where you popped out of, Cheri?
You have no history here. You have not read the whole thread.
You have not replied to my questions.
In my opinion go fk yourself and your bullshit stories.

I have a suspicion that JSbot is just the latest version of gensix/genfour/gengofukyourself. Same bizarro new account with only posts in this thread. Probably will also delete all posts soon and rejoin with another new account.

 

[Wary GOM]

Well, they wont ever say that the broker physically checked that the bitcoin is there as it means they admit that all members fees are accounted for which is obviously impossible.

My guess, maybe genbot is right (starting to wonder how he has so much info and whether his ip posting was actually a real honeypot).

The thing is though, them screaming FSCA leaked the Johans location and put him at risk is just going to feed the hivemind and make it easier to say at a later point well hey guys we're moving to an "unregulated" space so as to be away from the banks attempts on Johans life, it is maybe also in place to get the members ready to disregard any negatives that the FSCA will likely put out regarding them in the future.

All this nonsense about 007 emails and them taking control is only going to feed the idea that they have a real system in place with controls, checks and measures which is obviously utter bs.

Plot twist indeed though I still see 0 chance of Johan coming back to SA, obviously not going to because the FSCA is evil and wants him dead or something equally ridiculous.

This move of the company to Brasil does not, as I understand things, change anything about the operations up until last week. Johan is not the sole owner (as far as I think we know?) and he certainly had a board of directors and a legal advisor. The bottom line is that anyone who took money out of MTI up until they close the South African company has been dealing with an unregistered company. Just as importantly, at least team leaders and major shills have to answer the charge of giving financial advice when not qualified or registered to do so.

 

[Venator]

I have a suspicion that JSbot is just the latest version of gensix/genfour/gengofukyourself. Same bizarro new account with only posts in this thread. Probably will also delete all posts soon and rejoin with another new account.

Lol yup, which is why my first reply after that account's first post was "bye gen"....and then hit ignore