Mirror (non)Trading International 2 - The Fallout

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Frikkadel23

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No and even if in some parts it doesn't really matter. South America is notorious when it comes to scammers vanishing and so it comes as no surprise that he would have flown there rather than any other place.

Below is the SA donkey cart list of signed extradition agreements. Makes it quite lucrative to commit a crime in SA and run away.

Unless Johann comes back there is no reason to believe anyone will get any answers from him. The law should go after every founder/promotor/shill left in the country.


South Africa currently has extradition agreements with the following countries:
  • Algeria;
  • Australia;
  • Botswana;
  • Canada;
  • China;
  • Egypt;
  • India;
  • Israel;
  • Lesotho;
  • Malawi;
  • Nigeria;
  • Swaziland;
  • the United Arab Emirates (UAE); and
  • the United States.
Amazed the Uk is not on the list.
 

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Is there not a warrant of arrest out for Cheri and Clynton Marks? They are the masterminds behind this, while Johan is the front man.
 

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marks family now blaming ceo and wife.....

ceo and wife tjoepstil.....

they are all in this together, laughing at us and telegram groups, as they wapp group call every now and then to work out their final steps to financial freedom......

and we and telegram groups are trying to work out who has done what, who played who, etc
IMO members of this thread would be well placed to try and gather key information from the Telegram group and the other sources we have cultivated over the past 18 months or so. The people posting on the complaints groups are not organising any kind of coherent set of cases.

Being tech-challenged I don't know how to do it, but wouldn't it be a good idea to either add a section to the wiki or develop another one where reliable information that would be useful to lawyers, SARS and FSCA is gathered into one place? Even lists of people who have lost and are angry would be a start.
 

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Johan could very well be on a plane to Doha right now. We took the ticket info from Crypto Analyzers post and looked up his reservation. Earlier today the reservation showed São Paulo to Johannesburg. When I checked again an hour ago it changed to show ending in Doha now. Anyone have any family transit in Doha right now who wants to go check when this plane lands haha? Don’t know where he will go after Doha. Again I don’t know if he actually boarded? But strange the ticket changed to end in Doha . View attachment 981166
How is this crypto anal izer getting this info. Must be a special friendship there.
 

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IMO members of this thread would be well placed to try and gather key information from the Telegram group and the other sources we have cultivated over the past 18 months or so. The people posting on the complaints groups are not organising any kind of coherent set of cases.

Being tech-challenged I don't know how to do it, but wouldn't it be a good idea to either add a section to the wiki or develop another one where reliable information that would be useful to lawyers, SARS and FSCA is gathered into one place? Even lists of people who have lost and are angry would be a start.
What needs to happen is for a MTI member/team to get an attorney to draw up a complaints template/affidavit that can be submitted to SAPS and the FSCA. That template should basically just require people to enter their details, the specific MTI recruiter they dealt with, the value they deposited and the value lost. They should then email the reference/case numbers received to some designated email or other person so that a record can be kept.
 

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Is there not a warrant of arrest out for Cheri and Clynton Marks? They are the masterminds behind this, while Johan is the front man.
Process takes a while. Probable cause needs to be shown to the magistrate by the IO and in this matter there is no doubt reams of evidence to filter through. SAPS and magistrate are juristic persons so the issue of liability is a big one hence they take their time and strictly follow the rule of law - which is time consuming. The two Marks should eventually end up in custody wherever the matter is being heard I would think.
 

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It screws with the momentum. Most people will delay any possible action/recoourse to see if what they're saying is true. The longer it's delayed the more time there is to control the narrative and come up with "plausible" sounding explanations to what is going on. They would've been in possession of 99% of the information in that response they sent yesterday almost 3 weeks ago yet they had to wait to release it. My gut is that they are desperately trying to ensure that MTI isn't classified/determined to be a Ponzi - they are desperate to ensure that it's just one guy who stole it all - If it's a Ponzi the international community has been extremely hard and successful in prosecutions.
The really critical reason to try and prevent its being identified as a ponzi is that is the one area where there is no good, firm evidence. The issues of registration, nature of the business, identified management team/directors, that it is an mlm without a product etc can all be proven from the information available.

The fact it is a ponzi only comes when MTI cannot pay out withdrawals due to insufficient funds AND when records can be viewed showing that MTI could never cover withdrawals based on trading profits. By blaming servers, IT, Johan etc etc does not do this
 
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