Mirror (non)Trading International 3 - Freemasons,Russians,and no bitcoins

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expedite

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Or from a risk-mitigation angle: Assume the highest risk, and then try and proof (own evidence, not stuff provided by 'salespeople') a lower risk
Part of it is the fault of main stream masses. Every Tom, Dick and his mate assume or think they know what due diligence means. They did it! Or so they assume. Very few people know what it means exactly, how to do it and what resources there are to assist you, let alone pay a professional to do it for you.

My Dad was an artisan and he would in all seriousness ask you what does due diligence taste like.
 

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Be a little gentle with Carte Blanche. They had to cut over 6 hours of interviews and other info and footage down to 10 minutes.

The entirety of MTI is a long and winding tale with lots of mini rabbit holes that you could probably make a whole Netflix series out of. It's impossible to tell all of it, or even cover all of the important stuff in one segment.

While this wasn't in time to stop people from losing money, hopefully it will serve as a warning for those who are being approached by scammers right now.
That is more than enough for a Lindt commercial.
 

PsyWulf

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Not even a Carte Blanche expose on Vaultage Solutions nudged the supposed investigations any further. (In fact Willie moved from Vaultage to MTI and continued to scam even though under investigation)

Expect the latest Carte Blanche episode nothing more than a bit of entertainment, wiped out from memory come Monday morning.
Worst case the progenitors of this little scamdeavour will now have their names pasted in the annals of Carte Blanche for people to point at in future and say SEE THIS IS WHY WE CANT HAVE NICE THINGS
 

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There are also different kinds of people. Those who look at the potential upside, and those that look at the risks.
I'm sure almost all of us here look at the risk of anything we do, and don't just invest willy nilly.

My wife is even more extreme. No shares, no ETFs, no unit trusts. Even the bank's "investment" accounts scared her, because investment means shares and stuff, and when you invest in shares you could lose money. She would rather keep her money in a 2% savings account and know that whatever she puts in will be there when she wants to take it out.

Others obviously jump on anything that promises lots of money quickly.
That's true I've seen it all on the stock market. It's stressful especially when you invest with large amounts like R50k+. But yeah I've seen almost all videos on daytrading and that everyone should just quit their job and trade for a living. It's bullshit like the people on YT who stand in front of expensive cars and sit on the beach with their laptop, and they're not getting rich trading I can tell you that they make their money from selling a course, and most of the time the course is a bunch of kak. I know I bought 2 courses from American guys back when I first wanted to know more about the stock markets and so on...

Most people only look on the upside and they think "Wow this guy bought a lambo from daytrading and I'm gonna buy his course learn his strategy and also buy one", but no one really talks about the downside of those things.

Just for example one of those courses I bought was $200 (I know I was stupid to do that :ROFL: )
But let's say about 25 000 people did the same and also bought it, that means he made $5 000 000 off all those people. That's actually how these big traders on YT can buy those lambos and mansions.

Now there are some people that are very good at investing that I personally know and they don't sell any courses. Like one of them told me a couple months back 90% of traders lose money and that 100% of them think it's not them...
 

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There are also different kinds of people. Those who look at the potential upside, and those that look at the risks.
I'm sure almost all of us here look at the risk of anything we do, and don't just invest willy nilly.

My wife is even more extreme. No shares, no ETFs, no unit trusts. Even the bank's "investment" accounts scared her, because investment means shares and stuff, and when you invest in shares you could lose money. She would rather keep her money in a 2% savings account and know that whatever she puts in will be there when she wants to take it out.

Others obviously jump on anything that promises lots of money quickly.
Hahahaha
My wife's the same, so now we BOTH have "savings losing 4,5,6 or more% because they are in bank savings accounts. :(
 

TheRoDent

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That's true I've seen it all on the stock market. It's stressful especially when you invest with large amounts like R50k+. But yeah I've seen almost all videos on daytrading and that everyone should just quit their job and trade for a living. It's bullshit like the people on YT who stand in front of expensive cars and sit on the beach with their laptop, and they're not getting rich trading I can tell you that they make their money from selling a course, and most of the time the course is a bunch of kak. I know I bought 2 courses from American guys back when I first wanted to know more about the stock markets and so on...

Most people only look on the upside and they think "Wow this guy bought a lambo from daytrading and I'm gonna buy his course learn his strategy and also buy one", but no one really talks about the downside of those things.

Just for example one of those courses I bought was $200 (I know I was stupid to do that :ROFL: )
But let's say about 25 000 people did the same and also bought it, that means he made $5 000 000 off all those people. That's actually how these big traders on YT can buy those lambos and mansions.

Now there are some people that are very good at investing that I personally know and they don't sell any courses. Like one of them told me a couple months back 90% of traders lose money and that 100% of them think it's not them...

Yeah, succesful traders don't train other traders. They trade. The whole "daytrade from home" signup now, "I'll show you how" cottage industry is a farce.
 

PsyWulf

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That's true I've seen it all on the stock market. It's stressful especially when you invest with large amounts like R50k+. But yeah I've seen almost all videos on daytrading and that everyone should just quit their job and trade for a living. It's bullshit like the people on YT who stand in front of expensive cars and sit on the beach with their laptop, and they're not getting rich trading I can tell you that they make their money from selling a course, and most of the time the course is a bunch of kak. I know I bought 2 courses from American guys back when I first wanted to know more about the stock markets and so on...

Most people only look on the upside and they think "Wow this guy bought a lambo from daytrading and I'm gonna buy his course learn his strategy and also buy one", but no one really talks about the downside of those things.

Just for example one of those courses I bought was $200 (I know I was stupid to do that :ROFL: )
But let's say about 25 000 people did the same and also bought it, that means he made $5 000 000 off all those people. That's actually how these big traders on YT can buy those lambos and mansions.

Now there are some people that are very good at investing that I personally know and they don't sell any courses. Like one of them told me a couple months back 90% of traders lose money and that 100% of them think it's not them...
Watch Coffeezilla on Youtube,his channel is 90% taking on fake guru bullshit
 

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Be a little gentle with Carte Blanche. They had to cut over 6 hours of interviews and other info and footage down to 10 minutes.

The entirety of MTI is a long and winding tale with lots of mini rabbit holes that you could probably make a whole Netflix series out of. It's impossible to tell all of it, or even cover all of the important stuff in one segment.

While this wasn't in time to stop people from losing money, hopefully it will serve as a warning for those who are being approached by scammers right now.
If they have 6 hours they should do a special of 60 minutes later. Would be interesting to hear the full interviews.
 

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Be a little gentle with Carte Blanche. They had to cut over 6 hours of interviews and other info and footage down to 10 minutes.

The entirety of MTI is a long and winding tale with lots of mini rabbit holes that you could probably make a whole Netflix series out of. It's impossible to tell all of it, or even cover all of the important stuff in one segment.

While this wasn't in time to stop people from losing money, hopefully it will serve as a warning for those who are being approached by scammers right now.
I hear what you are saying... BUT, surely they would get a heck of a lot of views if they got ahead of the curve and exposed stuff while it was still running instead of just mopping up afterwards?
 

quovadis

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Be a little gentle with Carte Blanche. They had to cut over 6 hours of interviews and other info and footage down to 10 minutes.

The entirety of MTI is a long and winding tale with lots of mini rabbit holes that you could probably make a whole Netflix series out of. It's impossible to tell all of it, or even cover all of the important stuff in one segment.

While this wasn't in time to stop people from losing money, hopefully it will serve as a warning for those who are being approached by scammers right now.
Are any of those minutes tracking down the "leadership" in person? ie. Knocking on doors like Carte Blanche used to be so well known for?
 

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Sad but no sympathy.

He put his money into hopes and dreams and he got a nightmare out of it.

If he really loved his family he would not have gambled his last resources into something that you cannot verify nor have any actual track record beyond a few people who shill for it.

He got a real life lesson here and it set him back way more than he could have gained out of MTI even if MTI were a legit company.

He apparently did not learn rule no1 in life with regards to investments that you have no personal control over and that is no matter how good it is looking or how legit it might be that you never put everything you have into one nest, never!!

The sad reality of all of this is that once they got back on their feet they will permanently look for new MTI opportunities to recover their MTI losses. This cycle will continue indefinitely and you will hear the same stories popup from the same people year after year.
Your post may sound harsh.........BUT I agree 1000%
 

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Are any of those minutes tracking down the "leadership" in person? ie. Knocking on doors like Carte Blanche used to be so well known for?
I'll answer more questions after the segment has aired. I haven't actually seen it yet myself :)

I hear what you are saying... BUT, surely they would get a heck of a lot of views if they got ahead of the curve and exposed stuff while it was still running instead of just mopping up afterwards?
I'll also try and give some context around this after the segment airs.

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When your situation is desperate, logic doesn’t always prevail.
remember more often than not their situation were not desperate, maybe not sunshine bright, but not desperate, before their involvement with mti.....

but now certainly is desperate ---------------------------- why - because of greed

How can you get involved and place all your money into one thing, if you have responsibilities
 

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Trying to figure out their next approach?
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Market research to create new marketing funnel to scam people? I think it is safe to assume their intentions are not to help people ethically.

Long term game would be to leach more money from unsuspecting people who are low information consumers and see what they can monetise from the current group and what they are ignorant (vulnerable) about? Just guesses. I have seen similar sales funnels (it was not liquidation, but a poll almost like this) with Instagram when people try to sell mlm stuff. Just my speculations.
 
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