Mirror (non)Trading International 3 - Freemasons,Russians,and no bitcoins

r00igev@@r

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I had told my sister twice that MTI was a Ponzi scheme and to get out while she could this was back in March she had non of it, her husband "invested" tried to get my mother and step father to invest luckily they asked me about it first and didn't "invest" however she did get my father to invest.
I wonder how the conversations around the Christmas table are going to be this year for all the scammers?
 

r00igev@@r

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Don't worry about Cheri! She is having a whale of a time on the beach.

And it is fake news that MTI is a beached whale... (more like machine gunned hippo!!!!)
 
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What @Snyper564 said.
Under MTI, there's a section on the data leak with the stats page.
This has been a great help thank you.

If anyone else has other info regarding specifically "teamleaders" and their transactions if anyone has any info please quote me or pm me. Crucial data needed is:

1) Date of last transaction - withdrawal/deposit
2) Initial investment - Amount
3) Complete transactions - throughout start of scam to collapse.
4) Current BTC value left in MTI dashboard wallet.
5) Correlation/Information to any other crypto scams - Current investigation is on a Durban "teamleader" that has been related to UGI, Karatbars etc. Any info is much appreciated and potentially leads to justice being served.

Thanks a million guys
 

ab-user

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LOL these Liquidators sure have no clue how ponzis work. ;-)

"R5.7bn - Mirror Trading International has around 17 000 Bitcoin totalling roughly R5.7 billion"

I hope for the sake of these liquidators that they actually know that by now at best there might be 1% of that balance available somewhere. MTI doesn't have 17000 BTC stashed away somewhere to be found. HAHA

Also where do they get the 17000 BTC total from or are we just going to ignore the fact MTI displayed on the dashboard over 22000 BTC. Do these liquidators actually take the random wallet transfers they provided the FSCA as actual BTC that was ever in control of MTI ?

I think the only actual verified BTC totals we could take as fact at this point is the BTC total FXChoice stated MTI withdrew after also taking a 30% loss and that total was around 3000 BTC at the time. Any other BTC value is pure speculation and going of "data" provided by MTI and I dont think anything coming directly from MTI could be considered accurate or factual.
The Sep datadump refers
SELECT sum(debit) as 'debits', sum(credit) as 'credits'
FROM mtitransactions
WHERE remark = 'Payment Approved'
GROUP BY remark

These numbers must to tie back to what is shown in the backend to individual users.

debitscredits
022984.038907249855


Not sure how many 'fake users'/deposits there are, but if I exclude userid 0 and 123456 that number changes to 22724.036634389853
 

Snyper564

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The Sep datadump refers
SELECT sum(debit) as 'debits', sum(credit) as 'credits'
FROM mtitransactions
WHERE remark = 'Payment Approved'
GROUP BY remark

These numbers must to tie back to what is shown in the backend to individual users.

debitscredits
022984.038907249855


Not sure how many 'fake users'/deposits there are, but if I exclude userid 0 and 123456 that number changes to 22724.036634389853
dont forget that the remaining amount is

Deposit - withdrawals...
 

Frikkadel23

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I need to see if Steven Twain ring finger left hand has a tattoo on it where the ring is, because Santiago has a tattoo there. As a slim youngster it could be him.
been looking at their history with the greywardmarks and it goes back to 2015
 

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TheRoDent

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This has been a great help thank you.

If anyone else has other info regarding specifically "teamleaders" and their transactions if anyone has any info please quote me or pm me. Crucial data needed is:

1) Date of last transaction - withdrawal/deposit
2) Initial investment - Amount
3) Complete transactions - throughout start of scam to collapse.
4) Current BTC value left in MTI dashboard wallet.
5) Correlation/Information to any other crypto scams - Current investigation is on a Durban "teamleader" that has been related to UGI, Karatbars etc. Any info is much appreciated and potentially leads to justice being served.

Thanks a million guys
If you name the guy it would help bro.
 

ab-user

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dont forget that the remaining amount is

Deposit - withdrawals...
True, the above only shows bitcoins received and does not show the balance remaining, and is most likely the 'billions' that everybody is referring to. Also what the vultures are trying to circle over.

Below without the WHERE clause, and adding the Remark column:
(decimal point = dot, and comma as thousands seperator. Showing first 5 digits after decimal point)
Remarkdebitscredits
-0.03300
Balance Correction-0.02246
Binary Income-2,170.82216
Cancelled Withdrawal Request-850.16488
Founders Pool-468.59842
Fund Transfer35,161.4650038,937.17161
Missed Trading Bonuses 6 - 22 May-0.00264
P1 Leadership Bonus-250.30081
P2 Leadership Bonus-251.26953
Package Upgrade32,053.10452-
Payment Approved-22,984.03891
Referral Bonus-2,105.97567
Referral Bonus Cancelled0.050000.05000
Referral Bonus Cancelled (Early Withdrawal)35.4068530.89665
Referral Bonus Cancelled (High Water Mark)1.610171.61017
Referral Bonus Duplicate0.220250.22025
Roi Income-4,684.55106
Withdrawal Request16,503.80471-
Withdrawal Request Cancelled-0.37614
Withdrawal Request Cancelled. Invalid Address-0.00000
Withdrawal Request Reversed-0.27951
TOTAL83755.661572736.38387
 

Frikkadel23

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Just gone through thousands of Joel and yuly Santiago’s posts. Almost ill from the scrolling pages and the narcissism.
joel was much thinner when younger and I am not sure if we have hit ground zero with Twain.
is this the same milkshake bar?
any of their friends there that look like Twain.
I think Joel is Steven Twain, or his buddy is.
 

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ShirleyJames

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LOL these Liquidators sure have no clue how ponzis work. ;-)

"R5.7bn - Mirror Trading International has around 17 000 Bitcoin totalling roughly R5.7 billion"

I hope for the sake of these liquidators that they actually know that by now at best there might be 1% of that balance available somewhere. MTI doesn't have 17000 BTC stashed away somewhere to be found. HAHA

Also where do they get the 17000 BTC total from or are we just going to ignore the fact MTI displayed on the dashboard over 22000 BTC. Do these liquidators actually take the random wallet transfers they provided the FSCA as actual BTC that was ever in control of MTI ?

I think the only actual verified BTC totals we could take as fact at this point is the BTC total FXChoice stated MTI withdrew after also taking a 30% loss and that total was around 3000 BTC at the time. Any other BTC value is pure speculation and going of "data" provided by MTI and I dont think anything coming directly from MTI could be considered accurate or factual.
Good points John, Hopefully the victims soon realise the recoverable funds lies in the assets and bank accounts (Including wallets) of the recruiters and the executives and not in the MTI accounts. Arrests and seizure should be the go. Sequestration of the estates if need be if the weasels have hidden assets
 
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John Tempus

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Plot thickens. Its like all these spanjards have similar facial characteristics that could lead identification astray.

That said I still think the eyes, mouth and hairline suggest the one buddy to be the Steven Twain at the milkshake bar more accurately than Joel Santiago himself. And I think Joel from day one would not be using his own image when he is involved in selling a mastermind trading who could just vanish when they want them to.

I think the only bit of difference here is in relation to camera used, slight difference in angle and lighting. At this time I dont think there is any better candidate that could come this close if not exact match.

steventwain.png
 
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