Mirror (non)Trading International 3 - Freemasons,Russians,and no bitcoins

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Giepie1 said:
RAG = Recovery Action Group

Not sure who the "baas brein" behind it is, might be our old friend Pete Muller?

They are pushing real hard to get a lot of members signed up to their action.
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The impression that I get is that they're on rather shaky legal grounds though. Haven't seen much info either way.

Do I smell another scam?
 
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newby_investor said:
The impression that I get is that they're on rather shaky legal grounds though. Haven't seen much info either way.

Do I smell another scam?
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There are absolute signs of how to spot a scam. This one was visible from orbit. If anyone wants to know more about how to spot scams before you get sucked in, let me know in the comments.
 
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There are absolute signs of how to spot a scam. This one was visible from orbit. If anyone wants to know more about how to spot scams before you get sucked in, let me know in the comments.
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Hello one post wonder.

Let me help you out:

www.moneyweb.co.za

How to identify a Ponzi scheme

Eight red flags to look out for.
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When it comes to investing, it is advisable to exercise great caution and look out for any of the following warning signs:

1. Abnormally high investment returns

The most obvious sign of any investment skulduggery is the promise of an abnormally high investment return. While Ponzi schemes may take a variety of forms, they all follow the same intrinsic theme: investors are promised they will make a much higher return than can be achieved through any conventional investment opportunity. When analysing investment opportunities, remember the adage: if it’s too good to be true, it probably is.

2. Guaranteed returns

The words ‘guaranteed returns’ are designed to trigger both deep-seated investor greed and the willing belief that this is a ‘sure-fire thing’. However, when it comes to investing, no return is ever guaranteed and even the most modest investment carries some risk. Greed is your greatest enemy when investing. Be highly suspicious of anyone who offers you a guaranteed return on your investment.

3. Consistently high performance

By their very nature, the investment markets rise and fall over time, and your returns in any reputable investment will reflect these market fluctuations. Be sceptical of any investment that promises consistently positive returns regardless of overall market conditions.

4. Vague business model

If you don’t understand the business model after a five-minute explanation, stay away. The investment’s business model should be easy to understand and, as an investor, one should be clear where and how returns are generated. Fraudsters are notorious for using complicated verbal constructs such as ‘hedge future trading’, ‘high yield investment’ and ‘offshore investment program’ to intimidate would-be investors. These are smoke-and-mirror tactics used to confuse and bully investors. As Warren Buffett is famous for saying: “Never invest in a business you can’t understand.”

5. The need for more investors

The survival of any Ponzi scheme is dependent on its ability to continually attract new investors. Without an ongoing stream of new investors, the fraudster is unable to pay the previous investors, and the whole scheme will unravel. If you are pressured into finding new investors or offered rewards for introducing new investors, alarm bells should be reverberating.

6. Pressure to reinvest

Ponzi schemes will collapse without regular income or if too many investors withdraw their funds. To remain afloat, the promoter will offer investors higher returns if they don’t cash out or if they reinvest their money. While on paper investors believe their investments are gaining incomparable ground, the truth is that most Ponzi schemes don’t make any investments on behalf of their investors at all. If you’re pressured or rewarded for reinvesting, be alarmed.

7. The pressure to act now

Ponzi fraudsters are also notorious for creating a false sense of urgency by leading the investor to believe the deal is only valid for a limited time. The investment opportunity is often shrouded in secrecy, and the investor is pressured to ‘act now’ while the ‘once-in-a-lifetime’ window of opportunity stands obscurely and suspiciously ajar. The pressure to invest within a certain period is foreign to sound investing principles and should be considered a red flag.

8. Credibility through association

A Ponzi scheme promoter generally creates an air of exclusivity by luring would-be investors into his inner circle of family and friends. By proximity to those who are close to the fraudster, the investor’s fears are allayed – after all, foxes never prey near their dens and thieves don’t rob from their own homes. This is a powerful psychological tactic used by fraudsters to build credibility through association with reputable people who are known to them. Remember, Bernie Madoff managed to deceive those nearest and dearest to him, including his sons.

As enticing as the notion of making money can be, the most effective way of creating sustainable wealth is by investing for the long term through reputable and credible institutions who have proven their mettle.
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newby_investor said:
The impression that I get is that they're on rather shaky legal grounds though. Haven't seen much info either way.

Do I smell another scam?
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From their Zoom call the other day, it seems they want to go for "provisional liquidation".

Not sure how that would differ from ordinary liquidation.

I think the guys driving this are trying to cover their own xssxs.
 
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With these people, it is difficult to seperate "die koring van die kaf".

But if lquidation is the route to go, who would you rather side with ...

The people who actually sprung for a domain name: https://www.mtiliquidation.co.za/

Or the guys who recycled a shady, loan scheme, dormant domain and allready made it clear that they will come knonking on your door to assist with legal fees: https://getaquid.com/

???
 
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reg4812 said:
Apparently there was never any doubt: :X3:

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*Even if I were to lose my BTC, I would still have more confidence in Johann's intentions, than in those of the Freemasons investigating the matter. Never forget what happened to JF Kennedy and Hendrik Verwoerd when they wanted to harm the Banks. Today, BTC poses a danger to banks.

** I am NOT White Mandarin
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Wonder if its from this same person or if they just have the same conspiracy talking points during their internal meetings. IMG_20201228_174133_173.jpg
 
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newby_investor said:
I think I lost track. What exactly is this RAG thing?
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once a month you can't enjoy your girlfriend's / wife's / mistress' bountiful fruit, because ...

or in the case of MTI, instead of a monthly cycle it was slow to start and now investors are permanently bleeding and have severe stomach cramps, they're all trying to stick a tampon in it, but alas the flow is too heavy

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WTF???? Perhaps i'm somewhat of a softie, or incredibly naive.... (I never invested in Empty-I, so it must be the former). If i understand it correctly, it was quoted on this thread that JS was "Pretty Wealthy" Before this scam started......
Irrespective of the validity of this statement, anyone who can subsidize the withdrawal of funds in the scam to the tune of 400 BTC, probably didn't empty all the loose change out his wallet to do so.
Why then, is his wife working? Surely He / They / Empty-I / "Management Team" could afford to sponsor / subsidize a "Housekeeping Allowance" to have her at home, and not have to work???
I Seriously Don't get it!!!!
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Simple really; she was also a good shill! :rolleyes:
 
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Synaesthesia said:
Wow there are so many scams out there. This one for example, "finalmente global" run out of Jean Ave Centurion.

This "crypto analyzer" guy gives them good points. Learned nothing from MTI or still making money off scams? You decide.

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He knows, we all know finalmente is a scam, most of the mti people are into it as well.
 
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Whyarewehere said:
Wonder if its from this same person or if they just have the same conspiracy talking points during their internal meetings. View attachment 983740
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Johann was frightened of being sat on by a hippo.

BTW: Remember that facebook post where Clxntxn said everyone in MTI worked for him so he had a gazillion hours in the day? That must have also included his shaved Brazilian Poepelekwane slave....
 
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Giepie1 said:
RAG = Recovery Action Group

Not sure who the "baas brein" behind it is, might be our old friend Pete Muller?

They are pushing real hard to get a lot of members signed up to their action.
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So who is going to give all the people (sheeple) their btc back, remember btc does not go through banks it's person to person via wallet address, so a financial institution can't give out btc left and right to all the "donators" of the scheme.

A friend's dad of mine invested in Bernie Madoff's scheme and till this day he hasn't seen that initial investment back in his bank account. (That's what I heard)
 
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Whyarewehere said:
Wonder if its from this same person or if they just have the same conspiracy talking points during their internal meetings. View attachment 983740
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I've seen that analogy floating around too, going by the obvious fake profiles being used by the recruiters on social media / telegram and such... I'd say that they are still actively using that tactic but it's hard to say because so many people like this actually do exist...
 
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