Mirror (non)Trading International 3 - Freemasons,Russians,and no bitcoins

[PrinceVlad]

Was this Ponzi the biggest one in SA so far?

As far as I recall Krion was about R1.5 bn, so this is a lot bigger than that.

 

[ZA_Witcher]

MTI just made the news on tv

 

[mikehuman]

Also the fact that Nerina Steynberg hasn't put out a missing person report for Johann, shows she plays a bigger role in all of this than we think.

.... or Pick & Pay needs her more than the Messiah does......

 

[Wary GOM]

We’ve known for a long time that they read what we post. The fact that Cheri so openly spoke about Johann being in Sao Paolo, just after we floated that theory here, is just waaaaaay to much of a coincidence. If Johann ever was in Brazil (and that’s a big if), I’m sure he was just passing through.

Edit - I doubt that Cheri would even be able to find Sao Paolo on a map.

Added to which, the MTI Statement which diverted blame to Nerina used our information as the basis of the whole narrative. Unless, of course, JS was meant to be reading these and being warned to move on asap? From my little, and legal, time spent in Brazil unless I was conversant in Portuguese I would use it just as a staging post for somewhere else - Colombia or Panama most likely.

 

[PsyWulf]

MTI just made the news on tv

Ooh shoot deets

 

[Whyarewehere]

Obviously not, because the order is not final. But remember the process just to track all the assets takes longer than the time until the Rule Nisi. He probably could start assessing claims prior to the final order but then there's the possibility that it could end up being a waste of money.

If the sole purpose was to safeguard the assets there are far quicker and cheaper options.

But what if there are no assets.....

 

[Wary GOM]

Very nice explanation, may be an idea to post on the Telegram groups as their is a lot of confusion I see

Very clear. It is an excellent idea to put it out for those poor fools who are flopping like fish on a dry dam bed. It might help some of them to not be scammed by the equivalent of ambulance chasers for liquidations.

 

[ZA_Witcher]

But what if there are no assets.....

Then nobody get's any money.

 

[PsyWulf]

Wow, so it was scammer found other scammers, and there you have the perfect recipe for the largest ponzi scheme in south african history.

I've said before the various elements cooked up a business model using skills and experience from their various undertakings to build a mega-con,probably over tea at Cheri's weekend presentations for MDC

Like Oceans Eleven style.
Johann's IT background - I say this loosely,he's probably a desktop drone
Cheri on marketing/media
Clynt for silent partner mystery
Monica to clean Cheri's boots and echo mom's sentiments
Then some salespeople to start preaching the gospel like Rich,Joel
And a little seed capital courtesy of some profiteering nuggets

 

[Wary GOM]

But what if there are no assets.....

That is what really $i**s^s me off. The assets have almost all been taken by the inner circle. That is my biggest problem with the provisional liquidation. I cannot stomach the idea of lindbolletjies etc etc getting away with more btc. I had hoped that they would clamp down on everything. On the other hand, allowing MTI to operate as normal might be illuminating; I wonder how Claudette will manufacture back office operations!

 

[ZA_Witcher]

Ooh shoot deets

My friend was also calling me during the time it was on but what I could see is they said some things about the former attorneys (Ulrich). Saying something about a large group of investors trying to recover the stolen BTC (probably RAG) and that Johann is probably in Brazil. Also they showed some video of Cheri writing on a whiteboard.

 

[warrenpridgeon]

What is your theory regarding JS. I mean if its all over the internet that only you have the password to the wallet, Sao Paulo is the last place to flee to. They have next level mafia who will chop your fingers and toes till you give the wallet key and make you dissapear for good.
Was the email to JS planned to lure him out of rsa?

They can chop off all his fingers... if they do get the keys to any MTI wallets they will be empty.

So many people seem to think MTI still has a fat wallet full of BTC.
Even the "RAG" people want Johann to come back and give members their BTC back.
The following is not aimed at you. But if you believe MTI still hold a big wallet of BTC that can refund members, then put the shoe on

Is EVERYONE that believes Johann/MTI can refund members missing the big picture?
!!MTI IS A PONZI!!
That means all the BTC that came in got redistributed as withdrawals and taken out again.
They never had a trading bot. They paid signup commissions from members deposited BTC, they paid P1/P2 bonuses from deposited BTC, they paid for BTC tumblers from deposited BTC, they paid binary bonuses from deposited BTC, they paid "founders pool bonuses" from the deposited BTC...

 

[DesertWrangler]

I've said before the various elements cooked up a business model using skills and experience from their various undertakings to build a mega-con,probably over tea at Cheri's weekend presentations for MDC

Like Oceans Eleven style.
Johann's IT background - I say this loosely,he's probably a desktop drone
Cheri on marketing/media
Clynt for silent partner mystery
Monica to clean Cheri's boots and echo mom's sentiments
Then some salespeople to start preaching the gospel like Rich,Joel
And a little seed capital courtesy of some profiteering nuggets

I still find it difficult to believe these clowns could mastermind a pissup in a brewery, never mind a billion Rand scam.

I wonder if they didn’t have help from the Bells, or someone else with more than Lindt between the ears.

 

[justreading]

Words on Wealth: Huge losses on the cards for unsuspecting MTI investors

The more I read about Mirror Trading International (MTI), the more doubtful I become that its investors will retrieve their money.

www.iol.co.za

 

[PsyWulf]

I still find it difficult to believe these clowns could mastermind a pissup in a brewery, never mind a billion Rand scam.

I wonder if they didn’t have help from the Bells, or someone else with more than Lindt between the ears.

Pieces are there,needs Clooney
Clynton maybe? Heard from some that he's a proper sharptooth shark

 

[warrenpridgeon]

That is what really $i**s^s me off. The assets have almost all been taken by the inner circle. That is my biggest problem with the provisional liquidation. I cannot stomach the idea of lindbolletjies etc etc getting away with more btc. I had hoped that they would clamp down on everything. On the other hand, allowing MTI to operate as normal might be illuminating; I wonder how Claudette will manufacture back office operations!

You know what's KAK FUNNY about this... The timeline.

Johann "disappears" on the Tuesday morning early with the automated mail going out and freezing everything apparently. BUT it's 100% "business as usual" from then on, every day they release trading performance "flyers", they do statement runs, they answer support tickets...

Then suddenly they announce on the weekend "oh actually he disappeared 4 days ago" and they stop everything.

So they pretended the bot was trading for basically a whole extra week... But Johann was missing but also he ran the bot? But also he wasn't missing, just not speaking to them. So they somehow got the bots "daily performance" from Johann while he was missing... lol ok... did they use John Edward and communicate psychically with JS while he was incommunicado?

These people lie so much they even forget all the lies they've laid.
But the lies have hatched and hopefully them chickens come home to roost now.

 

[DesertWrangler]

Pieces are there,needs Clooney
Clynton maybe? Heard from some that he's a proper sharptooth shark

Perhaps Clynton. He’s been very much in the background. He also seems more like the type.

 

[PsyWulf]

Words on Wealth: Huge losses on the cards for unsuspecting MTI investors

The more I read about Mirror Trading International (MTI), the more doubtful I become that its investors will retrieve their money.

www.iol.co.za

Too bad he's not aware of lizaan,the old age home supershill

 

[kooos]

Also the fact that Nerina Steynberg hasn't put out a missing person report for Johann, shows she plays a bigger role in all of this than we think.

MTI are liars and we cannot trust any of their comms.

 

[John Tempus]

The thing is, if the company is insolvent then it is insolvent. To not liquidate the company means you really don't expect there to be any meaningful assets. In fact a liquidation can't happen if their are no assets.

A proper process will see that firstly, directors are delinquent and can be held personally liable. Secondly, directors, officers both appointed and de facto have acquired assets from ill gotten gains and those assets can be attached. There is probably a good bit that can done in that regard.

Monies withdrawn, lets even say in excess initial investment as opposed to all, can be clawed back.

What can't be clawed back is of course the missing bitcoin, that is if it is missing in the first instance. Probably a bit of both.

If they were not seasoned criminals then sure. But I think as it stands they made damn sure to move funds around in a legal criminal manner so that when it implodes they have enough safeties in place to keep their stolen gains.

This is why liquidation is not going to be the solution here. If these criminals do not get taken to court via criminal cases then there is not going to be much claw back of anything when this is all through.