Mirror (non)Trading International 3 - Freemasons,Russians,and no bitcoins

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warrenpridgeon

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PsyWulf said:
Derp
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I tried... but sorry I couldn't watch it.
Also... it's soooo long.

How many ponzis "recover" funds for the initial investors? And how many recover an amount that's "worth it"?
I.e. if someone puts in R100k and 5 years from now they get back R1000 because all the funds couldn't be returned and legal costs took a lot of what was returned.
 
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GrigoryRasputin said:
I agree 100% it is empty but JS should have a few btc left from fake bonusses and profits. And i think JS actually did scam Marks out of 400 btc as a last present.
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LOL you think Marks transfered 400 BTC to Johann ? Seriously ?? Do you really believe any of that story to be true ?

There is 0% chance that Marks will show evidence from his own wallet that he transfered 400 BTC. At best he will go and look on public ledger for a random 4xx BTC transfer and point to that as his transfer.

The Marks do not have 400 BTC ie. R160 million. At best they put all that they got out of the scam into buying that house and if that house is stripped from them they will be dead poor again. These people more likely spend the money they steal faster than they could steal it. The most they might have to show is the house they bought and everything about that is not even clear.

By far the majority of the BTC got paid out to process withdrawals ie. daily profit the magic bot never made. The fact MTI managed to survive for nearly a year suggest to me that they quite literally might have paid out over 95% of actual deposits right back as withdrawals.
 
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ZA_Witcher said:
I wonder what will the people do that lost like 70%-100% of their life savings due to this scheme? And the really sad part is their friends and family members that got them into this scheme they now have broken trust or maybe will never speak again to each other.
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They will end up on the street, living at friends or family or commit suicide.

Go have a look at what happened to Krion investors who lost everything then also lost everything they still had post liquidation. Suicides, on the street, living with family etc etc.
 
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Rum Zacapa said:
when I see an Afrikaans guy wearing a tie on a zoom call I immediately get suspicious. might be my german ancestors tuning me to watch out for **** that might happen in the future. nothing against afrikaans folk here but my 48 years in SA have taught me to be aware of Steinbergs and similar weird things in the business world. thankfully i don't do much business with anyone so there is not much risk of exposure. now this was a classic ponzi that a good friend of mine got me involved in, in july 2020. i got out 31 days later for good reasons, thanks MBB forum for shining the light.
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Hey we could go a level deeper if you want since you started it. ;-)

How about an Afrikaans Jew , haha.

WOKE police don't crucify me, its a joke but very fitting considering how people love to blame jews for everything and well look what this jew did. ;-)
 
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John Tempus said:
They can claw back what is still under MTI involvement ie. nothing.

If they are liquidating MTI assets then they can claw back as deep as MTI ownership and not outside of it.

Liquidation is not going to be able to claw back MTI losses(theft) by also going through people outside the limited liability company. For that you need a criminal case against the operators so that all their individual and private finances can be scrutinized and so far I see no traction on this criminal case effort.
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Selling the 2009 Lenovo and splitting the proceeds 280 000 ways...minus fees....who wins?
 
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Hopfrog said:
You all seem to agree there was once R 9 B worth of BTC. The question is how much is left.
Each of the founders buying a fancy house would hardly make a dent into that figure.
You seem to think there was no trading so therefore there would be no trading losses.
All the funds were in BTC so it would need some juggling to convert it to fiat to spend it. If you are right with the 9 B figure then I would say that there is a serious amount left in the form of Bitcoin.
Go wild guessing or calculating.
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On the contrary, I think we agree that the R9B is a fictional number. The real number is probably closer to a tenth of that.
 
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The_Donkey said:
they can give everybody's money back and then some.

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What am I missing here?
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mostly that part at the top is the problem, there is not a snowball's chance in hell that they will give anybody's money back even if they could, we're talking about intentional large scale thievery here

they've pulled the trigger on the exit scam, the fall guy left the country and is the "only one with access the BTC" while everyone else wiped evidence and is playing victim

the amount of BTC remaining doesn't matter, because no court or victim or liquidator will ever get their hands on it, a cartel / mafia / someone with the means to track down JS and "compel" him to hand it over might, but a legal approach never will
 
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