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InvisibleMan1

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What never ceases to amaze me is how people take Johan (and people like him) on face value. It's like being a director of a company absolves you of any previous harm or dodgey dealings... I mean, the guy literally has a track record going back for years of taking peoples money and screwing them over, all the while with a smile on his face...

What is actually needed, is a updated portfolio of all of Johans past handiwork to really highlight the facts :)
Johan is a patsy, the real owners of this scam are Clynton Marks, Cheri Ward and the rest of her family. Look at the "board of Directors"!!!
 

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I emailed the lawyer involved:
Of course, the Vaultage member's money is in MTI. Breedt would never have passed up the opportunity to be involved in MTI. His ex-wife is a very good friend of Cheri Ward. They are all in this **** together. Probably find that Cheri and co had their money tumbling around in Vaultage.
 

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Of course, the Vaultage member's money is in MTI. Breedt would never have passed up the opportunity to be involved in MTI. His ex-wife is a very good friend of Cheri Ward. They are all in this **** together. Probably find that Cheri and co had their money tumbling around in Vaultage.

Wouldn't be surprised if Cheri's mom, Belinda, is in on it too.
Yesterday I also learned where the "Gray" surname fits into the picture too. Eish, all I gotta say is that it's gotta be super awkward for that Leonard Gray (ex husband) to be around Cheri and Clynton.
 

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What would all of you and Inspector Holmes, surmize was JOhanns' cost to set up the initial front office/backend/banner smoke n mirrors ?
Lotsamoney , or a couple of bob ?
It does rank as one very elaborate scheme to pull off the act . Convincing until , that is :20 or so people team up together and place it near a Magnifying Glass , common sense , or Holy water .

God Bless and so forth .
 

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What would all of you and Inspector Holmes, surmize was JOhanns' cost to set up the initial front office/backend/banner smoke n mirrors ?
Lotsamoney , or a couple of bob ?
It does rank as one very elaborate scheme to pull off the act . Convincing until , that is :20 or so people team up together and place it near a Magnifying Glass , common sense , or Holy water .

God Bless and so forth .

My best guess would be ZERO.

They used the money they stole in Kipi, Syntek, BTC Global, MDC, MMM, etc etc.
 

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My best guess would be ZERO.

They used the money they stole in Kipi, Syntek, BTC Global, MDC, MMM, etc etc.
Agreed. When you steal (did i just say that?) on levels akin to the level he/they have: i suppose one can freewheel off the back of that mound of cash for a Very, very , long time. He pulls off the quiet guy with integrity, Very well : his wish of wanting to run a company and see his own daughters running it one day , was a brilliant touch..
 

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Agreed. When you steal (did i just say that?) on levels akin to the level he/they have: i suppose one can freewheel off the back of that mound of cash for a Very, very , long time. He pulls off the quiet guy with integrity, Very well : his wish of wanting to run a company and see his own daughters running it one day , was a brilliant touch..

Or he's actually is dof as he looks/sounds and just a stooge for Cheri & Co., eventually taking the fall when it all goes to crap.
 

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I believe the link to Cheri/Clynton/Johan and MTI existed from day 1 and this is the reason - this address on their original CIPC docs - cant believe they charged ppl to come for training...

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Same address that MDC

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Syntek

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Bet-game

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MegaTesla

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A 6-figure income at the end of 2014? (from that Syntek training picture above)

But here Cheri claims they didn't earn much in those years :


So many lies to get people involved. Clynton had 12000 or something people under him in Syntek, but drove a bakkie that Cheri bought for him. Does not compute....
 
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PsyWulf

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What would all of you and Inspector Holmes, surmize was JOhanns' cost to set up the initial front office/backend/banner smoke n mirrors ?
Lotsamoney , or a couple of bob ?
It does rank as one very elaborate scheme to pull off the act . Convincing until , that is :20 or so people team up together and place it near a Magnifying Glass , common sense , or Holy water .

God Bless and so forth .
They've been "backoffice"ing for years so likely much code-reuse involved,go take a look at the various Web UIs in their demos
 

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Sure they can. Nothing wrong with renting out office space.
Quite correct, these type of scammers will rarely own property. They will rent venue/office space and homes. They may make as if its theirs, but it very rarely is. People just believe its theirs and that they are invested in real estate - still part of their smoke and mirror operation.

They will typically show off the house (or sometimes office) which they are renting, never saying that it belongs to them, but their believers believe its theirs.

They pay a lot for the rent, but its all from member’s money anyway so cost them nothing out of their own pockets, but it helps to sell their con. Property means nothing to them and it can only tie one down. Only thing that matters are people - and their money.

Some may buy property and put in their wife’s name, but they are amateurs. When the bubble burst everything gets liquidated which were bought with ill gained funds.

Its also not so easy to wash money through property anymore (except if you have insider gov connections) and one needs to declare where the funds are coming from when purchasing property - see the problem with that?

Now, they may turn this around and spin it that they are so confident in MTI to make them money that you would rather put all their own money into MTI and not into fixed property. That can only be believed if they themselves have invested large sums 'of their own money' into MTI, but once a again, the top tier MTI execs probably put in nothing else than to 'buy into' this scam to get it off the ground. They actual money comes in from the Members and then this ponzi drives itself, until such time as enough people catch on.

I also do not think that these people are necessarily getting/taking mega-bucks here. They are paying out such exorbitant gains, that although it brings in lots of new members, it also eats at the money coming in almost as fast.
What I can predict is that this particular scheme will balloon faster than most and then implode pretty spectacularly and end up as a 'white dwarf' in galaxy of Ponzi's.

I can almost guarantee that the true experienced and slippery king pins here (Marks, Ward, Gray, etc.), have not owned fixed property for quite some time and probably carry their passports on their person.
 
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warrenpridgeon

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What would all of you and Inspector Holmes, surmize was JOhanns' cost to set up the initial front office/backend/banner smoke n mirrors ?
Lotsamoney , or a couple of bob ?
It does rank as one very elaborate scheme to pull off the act . Convincing until , that is :20 or so people team up together and place it near a Magnifying Glass , common sense , or Holy water .

God Bless and so forth .
I'm actually qualified to answer this.

It's not an overly complicated system that's running in the backoffice.
A full on "dev house" would probably quote a R100K+ for that.
It's just a matter of defining the "rules" and then coding them.

Their main mymticlub website was very very basic with no "design" to it... The current one is probably a $5 template (nothing wrong with templates, my company site uses a template too :p )
 

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It has become obvious that
- Their statements in the backoffice
- Their trading video proof
are not legitimate.
Ergo... No trading is taking place and the ONLY place they can be getting money for payouts is from the incoming members "Investments".
That's made even more obvious because they aren't allowed to share real trade data (because of the license agreement with the bot authors) but then go and reproduce the "real" trade data daily for all members to see as proof that the trades are real, which is a clear violation of the licensing terms of the fake trading bot they are using.
 
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