Mirror Trading International

[r00igev@@r]

Actually, i have been looking for Cheri . It is so cold out here in Kazakhstan.

You don't say. I once has some Kazakhstan whiskey! Was horizontal for 6 months. Paint stripper is less lethal!

 

[D@leW]

I battle to believe this "big number" thrown around.

We know this scam has been successful, but we also know it has been a scam from day 1. As such, lying about total size makes perfect sense to lend additional "legitimacy".

I suppose we will never know the true numbers.

Without tracking all payments coming in it's hard to be sure. I tried loading it into Electrum to get a history of wallet balance but it had a panic attack due to the volume. For laundering purposes it doesn't really make sense to send the same funds through the same wallet that they clearly own multiple times. Certainly based on recent transactions they just collect all incoming payments into a set of intermediary wallets which then gets transferred in bulk to the main one. Outgoing payments are just the reverse process: send out a few payments to some intermediary wallets which are then disbursed to members. There didn't seem to be any attempt to obfuscate the transfers. Maybe someone here has some forensic skills in blockchain transactions and can give us a more detailed analysis.

 

[LockdownSally]

Maybe someone can also email the person who wrote this article and alert him about MTI ?
Story: BARRY VILJOEN
barryv.observer@gmail.com

Done. Thanks - I didn't think of that.

 

[Waldman Jordaan]

I quickly Google'd the Hawks. Has anyone perhaps reported MTI to the Hawks yet?

"How do I contact the Hawks South Africa?

Hawks contact details
Telephone number: 012 846 4590. Fax: 086 546 1400. Email: CorruptionReports@saps.gov.za.Dec 23, 2019

What do the Hawks investigate?
The Hawks are South Africa's Directorate for Priority Crime Investigation (DPCI) which targets organized crime, economic crime, corruption, and other serious crime referred to it by the President or the South African Police Service (SAPS) set up by the Zuma administration in 2008.

How do I report a scammer in South Africa?
You can also contact the SAFPS on 0860 101 248 or through SAFPS@safps.org.za."

 

[John Tempus]

I quickly Google'd the Hawks. Has anyone perhaps reported MTI to the Hawks yet?

"How do I contact the Hawks South Africa?

Hawks contact details
Telephone number: 012 846 4590. Fax: 086 546 1400. Email: CorruptionReports@saps.gov.za.Dec 23, 2019

What do the Hawks investigate?
The Hawks are South Africa's Directorate for Priority Crime Investigation (DPCI) which targets organized crime, economic crime, corruption, and other serious crime referred to it by the President or the South African Police Service (SAPS) set up by the Zuma administration in 2008.

How do I report a scammer in South Africa?
You can also contact the SAFPS on 0860 101 248 or through SAFPS@safps.org.za."

I just couldn't stop laughing when I read the following part which gives me almost no hope in these scams being followed through and explains why BTC Global and other scams have seen no justice.

What do the Hawks investigate?
The Hawks are South Africa's Directorate for Priority Crime Investigation (DPCI) which targets organized crime, economic crime, corruption, and other serious crime referred to it by the President or the South African Police Service (SAPS) set up by the Zuma administration in 2008.


The only hope we have in getting the cult leaders of MTI prosecuted is to somehow make this a race thing and focus on them being almost exclusively only white cult leaders. This is one of the only times I could only hope the gov would crack down extremely hard simply because it is white criminals.

 

[Lozz]

It's always the best,that people trust the opinions of a "business" with a vested interest in itself to be honest,but assume regulatory bodies are just trying to be mean,or more hilariously against them because they are "disruptive"when they tell people to be cautious

I have been completely blindsided by how strong this reaction is! Given my friend all the evdience on this thread and he just sends back the official talking points, as if to say, its impossible they are scamming..... because they said so.

And he is not a dumb guy in any other conversation we have.
Unbearable to watch this slow moving car crash of people I care about.

 

[Lozz]

Keep it clean,let's not detract from the main issue

I fully agree, no need to give them ammunition. 99% of people wrapped up in this are victums.

 

[Waldman Jordaan]

I fully agree, no need to give them ammunition. 99% of people wrapped up in this are victims.

I wish I could agree with you fully. However, my personal opinion is that those who have been given fair warning as well as all the info which we have tried our best to convey to them, are greedy victims of their own design.

Very few Ponzi scheme victims ever gets fair warning, unlike MTI's members here and in the mainstream media.

 

[Venator]

I wish I could agree with you fully. However, my personal opinion is that those who have been given fair warning as well as all the info which we have tried our best to convey to them, are greedy victims of their own design.

Very few Ponzi scheme victims ever gets fair warning, unlike MTI's members here and in the mainstream media.

Not necessarily. One thing I've come to realise is that it simply doesn't matter how much evidence you give someone,...if they don't also have the reasoning ability to look at it in an objective manner and follow sound epistemology, they simply won't be able to see what the evidence shows.
Essentially it's like judging a fish for not being able to climb a tree despite having provided it with a tree. Even if you also give it a clearly written instruction manual, that fish is going nowhere, lol.
There's a big difference between having a skill and choosing not to use it, and not being able to use a skill because you don't have that skill to begin with.
Heck, it's that lack of reasoning ability which allows all sorts of ridiculous conspiracy and pseudoscience theories spread like wild fire. But yeah, it's a real shame that people don't actively try to improve their reasoning ability. There's so much evil in the world that could be avoided completely.

 

[IndigoIdentity]

I find the passion of you anti-MTI lot most interesting. The absolute determination you display to issue warnings and insulting those who do not adhere to your warnings is disproportional to any normal would be apparent scam. Your smear campaign is so intense and over the top it really makes me wonder.

It's like you stand to personally loose out if MTI is not a scam. What is the real story behind your extraordinary responses?

What about MTI is such a threat to you to make you act the way you do? I doubt if you really care so much about someone else's investment choices.

I wonder.....

It’s honestly very simple. I despise scams, scammers and those who would willing take a profit off of other peoples ignorance, desperation or misfortune.

MTI is a scam, run be serial scammers who are willingly profiting off of the above.

Doesn’t take a genius to figure this all out but apparently not all of us are gifted with common sense or any type of moral compass.

 

[IndigoIdentity]

I personally stand to lose nothing.

Someone showed me the backend a few months back and I was like "this is cheap and this is dodgy as heck"

MTI to this day has not even filed their annual returns... Which goes against their own terms and conditions. They also refuse point blank to show real proof that can be authenticated that they ARE trading. As such the only option left is for it to be a ponzi... And they are recruiting people that are desperate because of all this lock down a stuff. Those people are going to lose a lot.

If they brought real proof that we could authenticate I'd put my btc in also... But they don't... They just say "don't invest if you don't believe." it makes no sense that they aren't falling over themselves to prove that they are legit... After all they want to apparently help people become financially free.

Besides all of that, MTI is blatantly lying and trying to bend the facts to fit their own narrative, is that isn’t a red flag then I don’t know what else is. We should trust these people? Lol...

 

[Waldman Jordaan]

Not necessarily. One thing I've come to realise is that it simply doesn't matter how much evidence you give someone,...if they don't also have the reasoning ability to look at it in an objective manner and follow sound epistemology, they simply won't be able to see what the evidence shows.
Essentially it's like judging a fish for not being able to climb a tree despite having provided it with a tree. Even if you also give it a clearly written instruction manual, that fish is going nowhere, lol.
There's a big difference between having a skill and choosing not to use it, and not being able to use a skill because you don't have that skill to begin with.
Heck, it's that lack of reasoning ability which allows all sorts of ridiculous conspiracy and pseudoscience theories spread like wild fire. But yeah, it's a real shame that people don't actively try to improve their reasoning ability. There's so much evil in the world that could be avoided completely.

You make a very good point and excellent argument.

I would really like to hear your thoughts one the following flowing from this phenomenon you've described:
1) What percentage roughly do you think will actually learn their lesson once they realize they have lost everything and have been taken in a scam?
2) Do you think there are 'serial victims', same as there exist 'serial scammers'?

This then brings me to more questions in my mind:

Lets say that there exist something like a 'Serial Victim' and a Serial Scammer' and they cannot help 'their condition or fate', why do we have more sympathy for the 'Serial Victims' than for the 'Serial Scammers'?

If neither can see the error in their ways, should we then not try and help both 'Serial Victims' and 'Serial Scammers'?

OR, are they both lost to any 'help' and we can at best hope to only help the section of Victims who aren't fish and just maybe are able to climb that tree?

 

[newby_investor]

Not necessarily. One thing I've come to realise is that it simply doesn't matter how much evidence you give someone,...if they don't also have the reasoning ability to look at it in an objective manner and follow sound epistemology, they simply won't be able to see what the evidence shows.
Essentially it's like judging a fish for not being able to climb a tree despite having provided it with a tree. Even if you also give it a clearly written instruction manual, that fish is going nowhere, lol.
There's a big difference between having a skill and choosing not to use it, and not being able to use a skill because you don't have that skill to begin with.
Heck, it's that lack of reasoning ability which allows all sorts of ridiculous conspiracy and pseudoscience theories spread like wild fire. But yeah, it's a real shame that people don't actively try to improve their reasoning ability. There's so much evil in the world that could be avoided completely.

I wish I could super-like a post. You've put it very well IMO.

 

[SauRoNZA]

You have a very vivid imagination I see.

Anyone who risk more than they can afford to loose is quite stupid.

I'm safe thank you very much and I can afford loosing the money that I've put in. No sweat.

So, I'm going to wait and see what happens with MTI.

Spend the money on a better education so you learn the difference between lose and loose.

 

[Venator]

You make a very good point and argument. I would really like to hear your thoughts one the following flowing from this phenomenon you've described:
1) What percentage roughly do you think will actually learn their lesson once they realize they have lost everything and have been taken in a scam?
2) Do you think there are 'serial victims', same as there exist 'serial scammers'?

Well, we do have a risk here of going wildly off-topic, but we can address it a little bit.

No idea, to be perfectly honest. I suppose we can compare this perhaps to a gambling addiction (or to some extent any other kind of addiction). Why do so many gamblers lose everything they have, and yet they keep going back, hoping to hit that jackpot again? Getting scammed is most likely not an addiction thing, but there do seem to be similarities nonetheless. This also does touch upon the idea of freewill (which is why I said we can go very far off-topic), and thus whether someone who has been scammed before and keeps on falling for scams is actively choosing to do so. I don't know.
None of us are in control of the chemical and/or electrical signals happening in our brains, and since those are the very things that control absolutely everything about how our bodies operate, it makes it very difficult to gauge whether any of us can really choose anything. So, does someone choose to get scammed again and again, do they not care, etc etc? I really dunno.
You see, it's easy for us to assume that someone who has been scammed would have learned a lesson. We assume it's the same as a child who might put their hand on a hot stove, get burned, and then never do it again. But I'm not so convinced that it's quite that simple.

As for the scammers...well, they clearly have no sense of morality and certainly no empathy. But again, are they in control of how they operate...are they really choosing to scam people over and over? I'm not sure.
But even if we don't truly have freewill, the fact is that Cheri & Co. are still an objective threat to the well-being of others, and therefore should be stopped.
What makes things worse in this case is the fact that these scammers have not been met with any consequences. Some people will do something crappy, see what the consequences are to others, and then not do it again. But that latter part requires empathy. Cheri and her goons have destroyed so many lives, but they just don't care. As long as they can enrich themselves, they'll just keep on doing it again and again.


Oh, just to add....the thing I'm more puzzled by are the people who are investing into MTI, and they know (or at least have a reasonably good suspicion) that it is a scam. What they are doing is hoping to make a quick buck whilst they can before it collapses.
The matter of freewill aside, I put these people in the same camp as the scammers. They might not be stealing as much as the scammers, but they are stealing nonetheless.

 

[IndigoIdentity]

Could they be bribing senior police officers?

Believe it or not, this is actually common and is a big part of the reason why the scammers are still scamming even if you offer them up on a silver platter.

I’d love to say this is a personal opinion but it actually stems from personal experiences, money will buy you freedom here in SA.

 

[IndigoIdentity]

but nothing seems to be happening. It’s odd to say the very least!

Yup, that’s how it goes... No progress made because no motivation to make progress, the motivation provided is rather to make no progress.

 

[r00igev@@r]

I wish I could agree with you fully. However, my personal opinion is that those who have been given fair warning as well as all the info which we have tried our best to convey to them, are greedy victims of their own design.

Very few Ponzi scheme victims ever gets fair warning, unlike MTI's members here and in the mainstream media.

There has been 169 pages of warning. They would rather believe the cult.

 

[upup]

Years ago, with the "vrot melk" scam, the then finance minister had to stop it. His family were all part of it. After they got there money, that evening he stopped it.

 

[PsyWulf]

I'm not too phased if they still don't get proper jailtime
I think this thread,and the mainstream news stuff has reached a critical point where their names will be so marred that any future attempts at the same crap will be met with laughter

The blank slates and more obscure references while damning are too hard to spot for Joe Public