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Def-e-nition

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It's no surprise at all....it's the very principle of how any Ponzi works. People are told they can withdraw freely, and many do. In a "normal" situation, every single person should be able to withdraw everything they have, and once everyone has done that the remaining balance is zero. In a Ponzi, the thing collapses when more people take money out than what is actually available. I.e, no investment actually takes place, and the "growth" which is attributed to each account is completely fictitious.

To plainly illustrate it, let's say the scheme starts taking on investors, and let's say there are 1000 investors, and each investor puts in $1000.
For the sake of simplicity, let's just say that we stick with those 1000 people and that no new investors are recruited.
So, right off the bat the investment capital is $1000000.
Now the "investment firm" claims that they start trading, and let's say their monthly compounded interest rate is 10%.
Again for simplicity, let's say that in the span of 6 months, nobody takes out their investments.
Over those 6 months the firm would indicate to the investors that each person now has a total of roughly $1770, and a theoretical total capital of $1770000, but in reality there's still only $1000000 (Assuming that the scamsters haven't taken anything out on their own already).
With $1000000 available, about 565 people could withdraw their lovely $1770 investments, but the final 435 will be left with nothing.

What do you think will happen after a year?
After a year the indicated trading capital would be around $3140000...but again, there is actually still only $1000000.
If those 1000 people then decide to start pulling out their "$3140 investments", about 320 people will get their full withdrawal, whereas the remaining 660 people are left with nothing.

So yes, people will get paid out, and many will "profit" form this....but those profits are entirely stolen by proxy from other investors.
What i'd like to know , is : how are all those payouts, controlled ?? I'm not sure how many people would receive "binary thingamajig status " , but : the sorts of money she says is going out to binary bonus qualified individuals, is pretty substantial .Where on earth is it all coming from ?
I suppose though that when you're sitting on 14 000BTC (which cannot be found on Snypers top 150 list ) , that R1.3M bonus paid out on saturdays , is relatively Miniscule .i would also assume that that figure is closely correlated with the volume of income generate by new sign ons , yea?
Regardless : i still find the complexity of the "wool" fascinating .
 
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warrenpridgeon

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No man, you Datsun driver. Cheri said that they need to tweak it for the weekends because in crypto week-ends are different! :laugh:

I think its because they use the weekend for the binary calculation and the run takes longer than the so-called daily trading profit run. Don't think they can overlap the two?
It's cos the IoT coffee bot runs out of beans on Friday afternoon and they are too busy partying until Monday to put more in. Lol
 

fismail

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Zoom meeting tonight I see , I wonder if all this hoohaa will be mentioned.
Join for a laugh with Cheri

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fismail

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When I mentioned that it was a well thought out plan, it’s not in reference to the fact that people will get paid out... until they don’t... it’s in reference the fact that the people behind mti seem to be using every trick in the book to make this into something big.

The manipulation, cult like behavior and lies are all intentional and part of their recipe for success in what they do... scam people...

Ed Zachary
This is what I agree with

The manipulation, cult like behavior and lies are all intentional and part of their recipe for success in what they do... scam people...
 

D@leW

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What i'd like to know , is : how are all those payouts, controlled ?? I'm not sure how many people would receive "binary thingamajig status " , but : the sorts of money she says is going out to binary bonus qualified individuals, is pretty substantial .Where on earth is it all coming from ?
I suppose though that when you're sitting on 14 000BTC (which cannot be found on Snypers top 150 list ) , that R1.3M bonus paid out on saturdays , is relatively Miniscule .i would also assume that that figure is closely correlated with the volume of income generate by new sign ons , yea?
Regardless : i still find the complexity of the "wool" fascinating .
The 14,000 BTC would be with the broker. MTI are spending a lot of BTC getting it to an from the broker based on how often the funds go via tumblers, no doubt to protect the anonymity of the broker so that they don't get inundated with requests for proof of funds and trading. Of course this is perfectly reasonable for a legitimate, transparent business with nothing to hide, right?
 

warrenpridgeon

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The 14,000 BTC would be with the broker. MTI are spending a lot of BTC getting it to an from the broker based on how often the funds go via tumblers, no doubt to protect the anonymity of the broker so that they don't get inundated with requests for proof of funds and trading. Of course this is perfectly reasonable for a legitimate, transparent business with nothing to hide, right?

So if I've got it right now... The btc is in cold storage... But a broker is trading on crypto markets for them?

Are they using a broker to trade crypto?
 

Whyarewehere

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Interesting article here: Defrauded! The reality of Ponzi and pyramid schemes in SA

There's some scary trends revealed too, like:

"A Ponzi scheme is an investment scheme. It promises great returns for invested money and doesn’t seem different from other investment services. But there is no investment happening.

Chad Thomas
A pyramid scheme is a recruitment scheme. It promises great returns if more people are recruited to the scheme. This approach is often compared to a multilevel marketing (MLM) scheme, except an MLM involves selling products of some sort. MLMs are controversial, and some are considered pyramid schemes. But outright criminal pyramid schemes sell nothing but lies.

It’s perhaps best to not get hung up on what they’re called, since these schemes evolve all the time. Recent ones used promises involving cryptocurrencies and forex trading — the notorious MMM scheme defrauded 5-million people across the globe through its websites.

Some explicitly target community ties, said Thomas: “SA is seeing a rise in what we term ‘affinity schemes’. This is an extension of a Ponzi scheme where the perpetrator is someone from your community or a member of the same religious organisation as you. We have seen this in the international Bernie Madoff case, as well as the local cases involving Barry Tannenbaum and Michael Ash schemes, where many of the victims came from the same community as those operating the scheme. We are also seeing a definite rise in cases involving Christian churches that preach from the basis of ‘prosperity,’ where church members, elders and even pastors have taken advantage of congregants.”
I had multiple people leave a telegram group after i called them out on this. That is the pastors selling scams in church. I told them about prophet van wyk and im sure two who left the group were pastors. Too uncomfortable for them to hear the truth.
 

Whyarewehere

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Hi everyone, I have been following this forum with great interest over the last week. My husband was invited to a meeting with his bro in law (a pastor). BIL pitched MTi to my husband and husbands family who all invested.
Scary how people are being sucked in by trusted family members. Obviously after reading the news and this thread, I asked hubby to withdraw funds but his family members have not heeded our warning.
Please no Christian bashing, I am Christian too but I have logic. Its really the trusted person part that is luring people into the scheme.

I am working hard to expose MTI, I work for a big four auditing company. Thank you for all that you have posted on this thread, you guys have done so much research and put so many pieces together. Looking forward to the day it sinks

I agree with you, believing in a religion is not the issue. Greed is. Irrespective of wether you believe or not, most religions will actually have warnings on things like mti anyway. Like be on the lookout for false prophets, like jesus kicking the people out of church for trading and selling stuff in church etc. So good on you, be religious if that is you, just dont believe cheri
 

aofafrica

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Maybe they use their btc as collateral to get btc from someone else so that they can give it to a broker to go trade on a crypto exchange with MTIs crypto bot? Battling to keep up now...

Must be in the personal wallets of the top 5 before it can be used as collateral by a magic super bot that knows how to make money so consistently that we want thousands of people to share the money with.

Because Bitcoin is unregulated.

Now go away with your naughty questions and go push some more sensible friends away with your buzzword-laced drivel.
 

MTIsucks

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I have spoken directly with the FSCA. They basically said the investigation is continuing and they will publish more info soon. They again advised everyone to withdraw funds in MTI because their press release was not issued lightly. I think they have solid leads, now we wait...
 

Waldman Jordaan

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I have spoken directly with the FSCA. They basically said the investigation is continuing and they will publish more info soon. They again advised everyone to withdraw funds in MTI because their press release was not issued lightly. I think they have solid leads, now we wait...
This is excellent news. Looks like time is up for these Ponzi mongers.
 
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