Mirror Trading International

[D@leW]

Now that I think about it, Forex markets also don’t stay open 24hrs a day. So I bet their “bot” also stops trading Crypto at some point during the day (it needs time to fabricate... erm... I mean produce those pesky member statements). Has anybody checked the recent member statements to see if they reflect 24hr trading? If not, do they close all the positions, or just leave them open to the next day?

They (pretend to) trade crypto 24 hours a day. The charts from the "delayed live" demo account shows that trading to permitted 24 hours a day. It's just weekends they don't trade because the instrument they are using isn't traded on the weekends.

Slander is spoken word. You may be referring to libel defamation and there’s still a pretty high bar to take things further than a simple demand for a retraction. The personal stuff though, I agree, is problematic and serves no purpose other than detracting from actual, valid concerns in this thread.

Specifically you have to show damages. You can't sue just for hurt feelings. Damages could be actual (quantifiable, as it you can calculate the amount), presumed (assumed losses incurred e.g. because of loss of business or reputation) or punitive (because your behavior was really egregious and you are a bad, bad person).

In the first two cases, there's no claim if it's about MTI being a scam, because they are offering financial service advice without being accredited, and therefore any income is also illegal and cannot be used as the basis for calculating damages (this is true even if they really are trading). Pointing out one's illegal activities in a lawsuit would be pretty dumb. They also can't claim for losses that result from their illegal actions being made public (e.g. getting fired because they recruited people into a scam).

As for any genuinely egregious acts you commit, either verbally or in writing, if they are bad enough that a judge would want to fine you then you probably deserve the consequences. E.g. calling a narcissist fat repeatedly isn't cool. Ponzi-shaming is fine, but fat-shaming is uncalled for.

DISCLAIMER: This is not legal advice and I'm not qualified to give legal advice, but I am qualified to give you blessings and much success.

 

[MONTHEBIFF733B]

Telegram: somebody had the audacity to ask about auditing of MTI.

Peter Muller's rather lengthy reply

Would it be - How many Bitcoin MTI have or what the dollar or rand value is of the Bitcoin ? Or how many if any withdrawals have been done ? Wether or not live trading is taking place ? Just a reminder MTI are in the crypto space - MTI does not deal with Fiat currency so its not easy finding and external audit company to carry this out. A PTY (Ltd) company does not have to publish their financials publicly although the hacker gave some insight to this information I have been told however that in the new year MTI are hoping to have an audit done by a company such as KPMG or the like as they are or will have Crypto divisions do do this. To be very honest I have got to the point where my standpoint at this point in time is this: The Bitcoin balance is shown in the live trading stream If the FSCA believe MTI are a ponzi and that MTI are faking things then you have to aks yourself why have they not arrested anyone yet ? Johann and all the board of directors are fully exposed and not hiding anywhere as I do not believe they have anything to hide - they do not need to prove anything for anyone as they have shown the trading pool balance and have stated it openly on webinars the Bitcoin are there. All the directors including Johann Steynberg know that they will end up in jail if they are committing fraud. From the people I know who have known Johann for years as well as his father and mother and who are still good friends with him now I do not get any feeling that MTI are doing anything other than what they are openly stating to everyone. There comes a time when you need to either trust the people who are running the operation or not. We all know that everyone has access to their Bitcoin at ANY time to withdraw it. I personally trust Johann Steynberg and others and we all have freedom to choose - NO gun held to the head - I'm certainly not going to try convince anyone to stake or leave their Bitcoin in MTI if they don't feel comfortable but I feel very comfortable having a lot of Bitcoin in MTI. Lastly Id like to ask this question - how many people have asked their banks if they will show them proof of all theirs funds and if they have enough money (and prove it) to pay everyone out if everyone requested their funds at the same time. I have that answer for you but Ill reserve the right not to answer it

Hows about an audit just to show the fakn money is still there? No need to make your nose bleed as to which part needs to be audited

 

[Snyper564]

Hows about an audit just to show the fakn money is still there? No need to make your nose bleed as to which part needs to be audited

Don't even need an audit show the btc address, no one can do anything with the address anyway

 

[ZillyZaber]

By listening to all the MTI Youtube propaganda. I wonder how many people, including the ones in the inner circle, actually know that there is no live trading happening?

By the sound of it, it is almost as if only about 2 people (my guess ?) know that it is all fake and that these two managed to totally sell this fakery to the rest, including the inner circle.

 

[aofafrica]

Don't even need an audit show the btc address, no one can do anything with the address anyway

Just to confirm: if this BTC existed, we would have already found the address?

The reason we keep asking for it is because we already know with 99.9% certainty that it does not exist?

 

[aofafrica]

By listening to all the MTI Youtube propaganda. I wonder how many people, including the ones in the inner circle, actually know that there is no live trading happening?

By the sound of it, it is almost as if only about 2 people (my guess ?) know that it is all fake and that these two managed to totally sell this fakery to the rest, including the inner circle.

It doesn't seem possible.
There must be at least 10 people in on it (in full).

What is puzzling is how they trust whoever has the keys. This is what convinces me that the money has been stolen already, and the remaining balances are small.

 

[am-user]

Wonder where this ponzi's repository of ill-gotten gains will stack?

Top 501-600 Richest Bitcoin Addresses

Top 501-600 Richest Bitcoin Addresses. Bitcoin distribution.

bitinfocharts.com

 

[Snyper564]

Just to confirm: if this BTC existed, we would have already found the address?

The reason we keep asking for it is because we already know with 99.9% certainty that it does not exist?

Correct, unfortunately I believe its split over many addresses as it would be in the top 50 otherwise

 

[aofafrica]

Correct, unfortunately I believe its split over many addresses as it would be in the top 50 otherwise

Agreed. Except it needs to be noted that most of these various addresses are not under the control of - nor controlled in favour of - average MTI members.

The BTC has already been stolen.

 

[MegaTesla]

What? Don't kill farmers with bullets but by killing them slowly through stealing their life savings?

 

[John Tempus]

What? Don't kill farmers with bullets but by killing them slowly through stealing their life savings?

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They are so fking disconnected that they post this image with a smiling face clearly just a reused image not appropriate for the message at all.

How in the world could Cheri think that the message at all fits her smiling face, looks psychopathic.

I guess they dont want to use recent photos or take a new photo cause they both blew up by an extra 100KG and wont fit in the same photo together. haha

 

[TheRoDent]

They (pretend to) trade crypto 24 hours a day. The charts from the "delayed live" demo account shows that trading to permitted 24 hours a day. It's just weekends they don't trade because the instrument they are using isn't traded on the weekends.

Forex trading does keep to "banking" days, but because of timezone differences it's practically 24/7/365.

Crypto trading doesn't keep "hours", or "banking days". It pretty much happens 24/7/365. Any trading graph will show you this....

 

[Speedster]

Has anyone compiled a list of the previous mlms and ponzis the big players in MNTI* have been part of?

*Henceforth I shall refer to them as Mirror Non-Trading International (MNTI). An alternative stylisation could be M(T)I.

 

[Tman*]

Has anyone compiled a list of the previous mlms and ponzis the big players in MNTI* have been part of?

*Henceforth I shall refer to them as Mirror Non-Trading International (MNTI). An alternative stylisation could be M(T)I.

You could also refer to them as SMTI - Smokes & Mirrors Trading International.

Someone did compile a very comprehensive list, I recall seeing it somewhere. It included all failed businesses and ponzi's of top management

 

[Speedster]

You could also refer to them as SMTI - Smokes & Mirrors Trading International.

Someone did compile a very comprehensive list, I recall seeing it somewhere. It included all failed businesses and ponzi's of top management

Indeed SMTI has a nice ring to it, but that still alludes to the fact that there is some form of actual trading going on.

Anyway, any idea where I can start looking for that list?

 

[bye_empty_eye]

Has anyone compiled a list of the previous mlms and ponzis the big players in MNTI* have been part of?

*Henceforth I shall refer to them as Mirror Non-Trading International (MNTI). An alternative stylisation could be M(T)I.

I have the following, not sure how complete / correct it is (got it from a telegram group, one of our forum members posted it there a while ago):

Volishon
My Daily Choice
BTC Global
Kipi
Syntek
Ker-ching
Karatbars
MMM
Thrive
Vaultage
Copy profit success global
Crypto world evolution

 

[w1z4rd]

I have the following, not sure how complete / correct it is (got it from a telegram group, one of our forum members posted it there a while ago):

Volishon
My Daily Choice
BTC Global
Kipi
Syntek
Ker-ching
Karatbars
MMM
Thrive
Vaultage
Copy profit success global
Crypto world evolution

Go through the videos of people liking Cheris posts, you will see Crowd1 and many other scams (from around the world). The influence networks are a big part of this. What we see is just the "front end" that will be replaced with other people as soon as this scam ends, but the back end continues.

 

[ScamSpotter]

To include on the list above:

Incomebuilder portal aka btcpromining (Johann Steynberg + Tom Fraser)

 

[warrenpridgeon]

Go through the videos of people liking Cheris posts, you will see Crowd1 and many other scams (from around the world). The influence networks are a big part of this. What we see is just the "front end" that will be replaced with other people as soon as this scam ends, but the back end continues.

All these oaks promoting this kind of thing are just looking to get rich quick. One even posted an advert for something and one of the bullet points was "NOT a get rich quick scheme"... BUT below that was the "earnings prediction model" which showed something like $400 and then in 18 months you have $1 200 000... That's pretty rich pretty quick. They just copy and paste whatever the person that brought them in spews out... which is usually created by "corporate".

 

[Speedster]

I have the following, not sure how complete / correct it is (got it from a telegram group, one of our forum members posted it there a while ago):

Volishon
My Daily Choice
BTC Global
Kipi
Syntek
Ker-ching
Karatbars
MMM
Thrive
Vaultage
Copy profit success global
Crypto world evolution

Super - this is good stuff. And do we know who was involved with which of these?