Mirror Trading International

[w1z4rd]

All these oaks promoting this kind of thing are just looking to get rich quick. One even posted an advert for something and one of the bullet points was "NOT a get rich quick scheme"... BUT below that was the "earnings prediction model" which showed something like $400 and then in 18 months you have $1 200 000... That's pretty rich pretty quick. They just copy and paste whatever the person that brought them in spews out... which is usually created by "corporate".

The influence networks Im talking about are mostly fake, with more than copy pastas. They spam hundreds of videos for all the other scams as well.

 

[D@leW]

Forex trading does keep to "banking" days, but because of timezone differences it's practically 24/7/365.

Crypto trading doesn't keep "hours", or "banking days". It pretty much happens 24/7/365. Any trading graph will show you this....

Watch the first "delayed live" trading video. You can clearly see a gap in pricing data from Friday to Monday, hence the spread better they are using for the demo account, and probably the pricing data, doesn't appear to trade on the weekends. Trading doesn't occur on the blockchain at all. That only happens when you make deposits or withdrawals from your trading account.

 

[D@leW]

Telegram: somebody had the audacity to ask about auditing of MTI.

Peter Muller's rather lengthy reply

Would it be - How many Bitcoin MTI have or what the dollar or rand value is of the Bitcoin ? Or how many if any withdrawals have been done ? Wether or not live trading is taking place ? Just a reminder MTI are in the crypto space - MTI does not deal with Fiat currency so its not easy finding and external audit company to carry this out. A PTY (Ltd) company does not have to publish their financials publicly although the hacker gave some insight to this information I have been told however that in the new year MTI are hoping to have an audit done by a company such as KPMG or the like as they are or will have Crypto divisions do do this. To be very honest I have got to the point where my standpoint at this point in time is this: The Bitcoin balance is shown in the live trading stream If the FSCA believe MTI are a ponzi and that MTI are faking things then you have to aks yourself why have they not arrested anyone yet ? Johann and all the board of directors are fully exposed and not hiding anywhere as I do not believe they have anything to hide - they do not need to prove anything for anyone as they have shown the trading pool balance and have stated it openly on webinars the Bitcoin are there. All the directors including Johann Steynberg know that they will end up in jail if they are committing fraud. From the people I know who have known Johann for years as well as his father and mother and who are still good friends with him now I do not get any feeling that MTI are doing anything other than what they are openly stating to everyone. There comes a time when you need to either trust the people who are running the operation or not. We all know that everyone has access to their Bitcoin at ANY time to withdraw it. I personally trust Johann Steynberg and others and we all have freedom to choose - NO gun held to the head - I'm certainly not going to try convince anyone to stake or leave their Bitcoin in MTI if they don't feel comfortable but I feel very comfortable having a lot of Bitcoin in MTI. Lastly Id like to ask this question - how many people have asked their banks if they will show them proof of all theirs funds and if they have enough money (and prove it) to pay everyone out if everyone requested their funds at the same time. I have that answer for you but Ill reserve the right not to answer it

It's not a scam because no-one has been arrested yet.

 

[Tman*]

Added Cryptogold

Others may have been involved too, but these are the ones that were involved for sure

Volishon
Joel Santiago

My Daily Choice
Cheri Ward/Marks
Clynton Marks
Willie Breedt

BTC Global
Cheri Ward/Marks
Clynton Marks
Liz Malton

Kipi
Johann Steynberg

Syntek
Johann Steynberg
Clynton Marks
Cheri Ward/Marks

Ker-ching
Johann Steynberg

Karatbars
Brett Maaske

MMM
Cheri Ward/Marks
Clynton Marks
Liz Malton

Thrive International
Scott Smith
Willie Breedt

Vaultage Solutions
Willie Breedt

Copy Profit Success Global
Joel Santiago
Cheri Ward/Marks

Crypto World Evolution
Clynton Marks
Liz Malton

Bitcaw
Andrew Caw

Cryptogold
Johann Steynberg

 

[Snyper564]

There was some or other cloud mining thing JS was involved with as well...

 

[LJ1234]

It really gets to me when the questioning members are treated like naughty children or sheep when they ask questions.

Peter Muller's response:

We all in the same boat Debbie - some people would not join even with verified accounts - they would say thay the accounts have been rigged so where does it end ? I do not need to see any verified management accounts like I mentioned there comes a time when there needs to be some trust because in reality if anyone was being unethical even so called verified accounts could be fudged - so even if these were shown the naysayers would be onto the next thing - where does it all end ? The fact that the full balance of Bitcoin is shown on a live trading account as well as Johann Steynbergs announcement that they have additional Bitcoin over and above what is shown on the live trading platform is good enough for myself and many others who trust Johann and what he says. I will do a video and cover certain main questions to eliminate the back and fourth regarding this BUT one more thing ill state openly now. People are saying that Cheri is a crook and she is going to run with people's Bitcoin because she was involved with XYZ previously - so just on this note - MTI was flying and growing at a rapid rate WITHOUT people knowing that Clint and Cheri were as involved as they are now and now they have exposed themselves TOTALLY even to the extent of where their new home is which is 10 minutes from where we live. Why would anyone in their right mind expose themselves if they DID NOT need to if they were planning a scam. There was no need to set up a corporate governance or have a legal department or have an internationally recognized advisor involved - it would take a few insane people to plot something to basically destroy 1000's of lives in the process - so in short tell the people who are constantly coming at you to rather take $200 of their Bitcoin and place it in MTI if they feel its risky or simply leave it in their wallet. I have more to say but need to get to gym to do some cardio. Have an awesome day

 

[warrenpridgeon]

it would take a few insane people to plot something to basically destroy 1000's of lives in the process

This statement is not going to age well...

 

[D@leW]

It really gets to me when the questioning members are treated like naughty children or sheep when they ask questions.
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Peter Muller's response:

We all in the same boat Debbie - some people would not join even with verified accounts - they would say thay the accounts have been rigged so where does it end ? I do not need to see any verified management accounts like I mentioned there comes a time when there needs to be some trust because in reality if anyone was being unethical even so called verified accounts could be fudged - so even if these were shown the naysayers would be onto the next thing - where does it all end ? The fact that the full balance of Bitcoin is shown on a live trading account as well as Johann Steynbergs announcement that they have additional Bitcoin over and above what is shown on the live trading platform is good enough for myself and many others who trust Johann and what he says. I will do a video and cover certain main questions to eliminate the back and fourth regarding this BUT one more thing ill state openly now. People are saying that Cheri is a crook and she is going to run with people's Bitcoin because she was involved with XYZ previously - so just on this note - MTI was flying and growing at a rapid rate WITHOUT people knowing that Clint and Cheri were as involved as they are now and now they have exposed themselves TOTALLY even to the extent of where their new home is which is 10 minutes from where we live. Why would anyone in their right mind expose themselves if they DID NOT need to if they were planning a scam. There was no need to set up a corporate governance or have a legal department or have an internationally recognized advisor involved - it would take a few insane people to plot something to basically destroy 1000's of lives in the process - so in short tell the people who are constantly coming at you to rather take $200 of their Bitcoin and place it in MTI if they feel its risky or simply leave it in their wallet. I have more to say but need to get to gym to do some cardio. Have an awesome day

So they won't show verified accounts because if they did show verified accounts people would just move on and complain about one of the other things they continue to refuse to disclose or prove. Trust us because verified accounts can be forged anyway, therefore there's no point in having them. How gullible do you have to be to fall for this obvious con? It's not even a well disguised con.

 

[Knight Rider]

How much has Peter Muller made from MTI?

 

[Tman*]

The fact that the full balance of Bitcoin is shown on a live trading account as well as Johann Steynbergs announcement that they have additional Bitcoin over and above what is shown on the live trading platform is good enough for myself and many others who trust Johann and what he says.

This is not a MLM scam anymore, MTI had reached cult status, with Johann as their prophet.

People are saying that Cheri is a crook and she is going to run with people's Bitcoin because she was involved with XYZ previously - so just on this note - MTI was flying and growing at a rapid rate WITHOUT people knowing that Clint and Cheri were as involved as they are now and now they have exposed themselves TOTALLY even to the extent of where their new home is which is 10 minutes from where we live. Why would anyone in their right mind expose themselves if they DID NOT need to if they were planning a scam. There was no need to set up a corporate governance or have a legal department or have an internationally recognized advisor involved - it would take a few insane people to plot something to basically destroy 1000's of lives in the process

I am having difficulty to interpret this response; so basically it would take an insane person to expose themselves as a scammer, if they openly enjoy a very public lifestyle? It doesn't take an insane person, all it takes someone who is arrogant, and that has been getting away with it time and time again. Furthermore, the fact that MTI grew before people know they were involved has no relevance what so ever?

 

[warrenpridgeon]

This is not a MLM scam anymore, MTI had reached cult status, with Johann as their prophet.



I am having difficulty to interpret this response; so basically it would take an insane person to expose themselves as a scammer, if they openly enjoy a very public lifestyle? It doesn't take an insane person, all it takes someone who is arrogant, and that has been getting away with it time and time again. Furthermore, the fact that MTI grew before people know they were involved has no relevance what so ever?

Basically Peter is saying MTI is legit because nobody would fully expose themselves like Cheri et al have. He also basically states that for MTI to not be legit the people behind it would have to be insane to plot out something like MTI to fleece people of their BTC.

Also... where does all the extra BTC magically appear from? Another bot that is "in testing" and ready to roll on trading stocks on the JSE? If they really held all this BTC (the pool and spare) then why not just show the wallets etc?

Trust me bro... I have a lambo and a private jet. Here's my proof:

 

[LJ1234]

Basically Peter is saying MTI is legit because nobody would fully expose themselves like Cheri et al have. He also basically states that for MTI to not be legit the people behind it would have to be insane to plot out something like MTI to fleece people of their BTC.

Also... where does all the extra BTC magically appear from? Another bot that is "in testing" and ready to roll on trading stocks on the JSE? If they really held all this BTC (the pool and spare) then why not just show the wallets etc?

Do you think it is possible that Peter Muller is actually stupid or desperate enough to believe that they are actually trading for real?

 

[quovadis]

Lastly Id like to ask this question - how many people have asked their banks if they will show them proof of all theirs funds and if they have enough money (and prove it) to pay everyone out if everyone requested their funds at the same time. I have that answer for you but Ill reserve the right not to answer it

Lol. This is an idiotic argument. The liquidity of a bank is verified by the Prudential Authority (previous the Registrar of Banks) based on independent and their own audit and processes. It's how VBS imploded - they simply couldn't hide the fudged numbers.

The fact that the full balance of Bitcoin is shown on a live trading account as well as Johann Steynbergs announcement that they have additional Bitcoin over and above what is shown on the live trading platform is good enough for myself and many others who trust Johann and what he says.

It should be a massive concern that the full balance is not accurately shown in the backend when there is "additional bitcoin over and above" and this is not accounted for. The argument could just as validly be that there may be less bitcoin under and below the full balance showing on the backend.

 

[newby_investor]

Do you think it is possible that Peter Muller is actually stupid or desperate enough to believe that they are actually trading for real?

Or just very good at placating the masses.

"I am not the devil! If I were, I would have horns and a tail, not this Armani suit!"

 

[expedite]

PM says "because in reality if anyone was being unethical even so called verified accounts could be fudged " actually no, that's not verified then. Verified in the accounting sense means that it has been established with 3rd party evidence and is beyond doubt.

 

[newby_investor]

Lol. This is an idiotic argument. The liquidity of a bank is verified by the Prudential Authority (previous the Registrar of Banks) based on independent and their own audit and processes. It's how VBS imploded - they simply couldn't hide the fudged numbers.

The other silly thing about this argument is that the comparison is wrong. You don't go to a bank looking for long-term (or even short-term) growth on your money. You go to a place like Allan Gray or even Easy Equities.

If all of Allan Gray's clients asked to be paid out at once - guess what, they would be able to pay every single one, because there are actually assets there. The business would probably fold, because they wouldn't have any more assets under management, but every client would get paid.

 

[soulie]

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[soulie]

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[soulie]

It really gets to me when the questioning members are treated like naughty children or sheep when they ask questions.
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Peter Muller's response:

We all in the same boat Debbie - some people would not join even with verified accounts - they would say thay the accounts have been rigged so where does it end ? I do not need to see any verified management accounts like I mentioned there comes a time when there needs to be some trust because in reality if anyone was being unethical even so called verified accounts could be fudged - so even if these were shown the naysayers would be onto the next thing - where does it all end ? The fact that the full balance of Bitcoin is shown on a live trading account as well as Johann Steynbergs announcement that they have additional Bitcoin over and above what is shown on the live trading platform is good enough for myself and many others who trust Johann and what he says. I will do a video and cover certain main questions to eliminate the back and fourth regarding this BUT one more thing ill state openly now. People are saying that Cheri is a crook and she is going to run with people's Bitcoin because she was involved with XYZ previously - so just on this note - MTI was flying and growing at a rapid rate WITHOUT people knowing that Clint and Cheri were as involved as they are now and now they have exposed themselves TOTALLY even to the extent of where their new home is which is 10 minutes from where we live. Why would anyone in their right mind expose themselves if they DID NOT need to if they were planning a scam. There was no need to set up a corporate governance or have a legal department or have an internationally recognized advisor involved - it would take a few insane people to plot something to basically destroy 1000's of lives in the process - so in short tell the people who are constantly coming at you to rather take $200 of their Bitcoin and place it in MTI if they feel its risky or simply leave it in their wallet. I have more to say but need to get to gym to do some cardio. Have an awesome day

He is either being bullshi..ed and believes the topend or is starting to prepare an exit by convincing the peoples that he is just an investor and knows no more .this is going south fast.watch that telegram message be edited or deleted

 

[soulie]

Do you think it is possible that Peter Muller is actually stupid or desperate enough to believe that they are actually trading for real?

I think he is fully aware of the proceedings and can read the writ on the wall.(that writ has been handed down to them by legal)