MK7 Fiesta ST vs new 1.8T Polo GTI at Killarney!!

[TehStranger]

well first up, Opel Superboss does a quarter mile time of 14.7, thats a standard car

Cool, links? I'm especially curious about the circuit performance you mentioned, would love some links comparing modern Opels to the Superboss on tracks.

 

[saturnz]

Cool, links? I'm especially curious about the circuit performance you mentioned, would love some links comparing modern Opels to the Superboss on tracks.

you are not going to find links about a 25 year old car that was produced in South Africa, but what I have to say will be confirmed by others in the know

 

[TehStranger]

you are not going to find links about a 25 year old car that was produced in South Africa, but what I have to say will be confirmed by others in the know

Oh ok, no links, that's cool too.

You sure there really is nothing? Not even local forum comparisons of a stock Superboss around South African tracks against modern OPCs (also stock, obviously)?

 

[saturnz]

Oh ok, no links, that's cool too.

You sure there really is nothing? Not even local forum comparisons of a stock Superboss around South African tracks against modern OPCs (also stock, obviously)?

I'm not sure, I'm not going to spend time looking for things I know from evidence from events I attended and races I've seen.

You are free to look on the internet to disprove what I have to say.

There may be things in local car magazines, every now and again I see a new Opel out I see a car cover with "the new superboss" or something to that effect, so those may be comparisons.

 

[TehStranger]

You are free to look on the internet to disprove what I have to say.

You don't really understand how life works, do you?

It's something like this:

Person A: I have an opinion.
Person B: Oh really? I disagree but am open to being proved wrong. Have you got any facts to back it up?
Person A: Why yes I do, have a look at these verifiable facts, I trust you find this in order?
Person B: Oh I do indeed, that along with my own research points to the fact that your opinion is correct, I have learnt something new.

What you're doing is this:

Saturnz: I have an opinion!!1one!!
TehStranger: O rly? Got any facts?
Saturnz: No I don't but I know this to be right!
TehStranger: You sure there are no facts?
Saturnz: You're welcome to find something that disprove me even though I don't have any facts to back up my statement.

/Saturnz drives off in a historically significant Delta Motor Corporation of South Africa Opel Monza 160i GSi car of the year 1991.

 

[saturnz]

I'm not expressing opinions.

You do understand the difference between fact and opinion?

If a superboss does a quartermile time of 14.7 (fact not my opinion) this can be compared to the performance of other cars.

If the superboss raced in Group N and won, thats a fact not opinion.

 

[Rouxenator]

200tS : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opel_Astra_200t_S

 

[TehStranger]

I'm not expressing opinions.

You do understand the difference between fact and opinion?

If a superboss does a quartermile time of 14.7 (fact not my opinion) this can be compared to the performance of other cars.

If the superboss raced in Group N and won, thats a fact not opinion.

All I want are some links to back up the facts (which remain your opinion until verified by third party sources). Roux gets it, you don't.

 

[saturnz]

200tS : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opel_Astra_200t_S

even the TS is an argument for Opel going backwards.

 

[saturnz]

All I want are some links to back up the facts (which remain your opinion until verified by third party sources). Roux gets it, you don't.

so if I told you the sun is white you would want a link for that as well?

there are no links that I can find off the top of my head, that must mean I must be lying and you are right, well done on winning.

 

[TehStranger]

so if I told you the sun is white you would want a link for that as well?

there are no links that I can find off the top of my head, that must mean I must be lying and you are right, well done on winning.

It's harder than you thought to back up your opinion, isn't it?

Just for reference so you don't ninja-edit your post:

The irony is that Opel SA made a car 25 years ago that is probably faster (in a straight line and circuit) than all of these cars, and its a 2.0l naturally aspirated car with no power steering, ABS or clever gearboxes- thats how backward Opel has gone in terms of performance.

 

[saturnz]

It's harder than you thought to back up your opinion, isn't it?

its not an opinion, something you struggle to comprehend, the evidence exists, just not on the internet which is what you struggle to understand

 

[saturnz]

[video]https://youtu.be/xVm2LI-wRW0[/video]

 

[saturnz]

[video]https://youtu.be/HgmDq6N6vR4[/video]

 

[Rouxenator]

Maybe I am too young, but I would not take anything older than a Astra G OPC. Sure the Superboss was a killer machine, as was the 200tS - both much more raw and direct performance machines than the G OPC with it's ABS, SRS and electric power steering. But they were widow makers of note and I think apart from a drag race they will be put to shame by newer machines. Especially the current OPC that finally managed to get rid of the enormous torque steer problem that plagued performance Opels for decades.

 

[saturnz]

Maybe I am too young, but I would not take anything older than a Astra G OPC. Sure the Superboss was a killer machine, as was the 200tS - both much more raw and direct performance machines than the G OPC with it's ABS, SRS and electric power steering. But they were widow makers of note and I think apart from a drag race they will be put to shame by newer machines. Especially the current OPC that finally managed to get rid of the enormous torque steer problem that plagued performance Opels for decades.

this is where you are wrong, the superboss is know for its circuit racing, as the clip I posted shows, it outran a BMW with an e30 M3 suspension and making 150kw

 

[FiestaST]

Shame this poor thread as been detailed all over the place. Not much left of the OP's FiST vs 1.8T Polo

 

[TehStranger]

its not an opinion, something you struggle to comprehend, the evidence exists, just not on the internet which is what you struggle to understand

One of us is certainly struggling here (hint, it's not me).

[video]https://youtu.be/xVm2LI-wRW0[/video]

Please elaborate on the videos? Are you using them for a quarter mile time of 14.7?

In that case allow me to link the Astra OPC quarter mile time of 14.3, which is faster. Remember that you stated the Superboss is probably faster than modern Opels. This is clearly not the case in a straight line.

Feel free to amend your opinion on straight line performance in the face of facts.

I still want to see some verifiable circuit racing performance claims from you so we can repeat the above process.

 

[saturnz]

14.7 on Killarney track, phone Killarney and ask them for their records 15 years ago when the supies were doing those times

if you know anything about Killarney you will know its not the best stretch for quartermile times.

 

[saturnz]

It's harder than you thought to back up your opinion, isn't it?

Just for reference so you don't ninja-edit your post:

you are not very good with facts, I responded to a statement made, the Astra posted was not mentioned in that statement

try again okay