Mmusi Maimane will resign as DA leader

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We will see about how that turns out. He was made to look like a fool during the Degree thing because it was the DA who were originally trying to push for that.

(I may be wrong but judging from his reactions to certain situations, he also looks like he may be vulnerable to an outburst or two and the EFF will surely look to troll him in parliament to see if this is the case). If he gives in, it will make him and the DA look bad.

I'm also doubtful that he lacks the same level of experience to be able to handle CR. Remember that he's only been in the spotlight for about three years now.

Maimane's lack of experience only really started to show during the last year. Before that, he looked solid so much so that people from within the DA were calling him Obama.
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CR has a habit of doing a sort of double talk. On the surface it will seem to talk about something and in fact he'll be talking about something slightly different. Steenhuisen is the only person from the opposition parties that is able pick this up and address what CR is actually talking about. The EFF knows this but have no idea what to do, so just moan and grumble.
 
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CR has a habit of doing a sort of double talk. On the surface it will seem to talk about something and in fact he'll be talking about something slightly different. Steenhuisen is the only person from the opposition parties that is able pick this up and address what CR is actually talking about. The EFF knows this but have no idea what to do, so just moan and grumble.
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The man only has matric , but his command of the parliamentary process makes him front runner to either title of lion of the chamber or a sort of "father of the house" designation. His quick / keen wit -a clear indicator you not dealing with a dumb ass or backbencher. You may dislike the EFF, but they are no fools, the most complex/penetrating questions, regarding our financial system set up and its shortcomings comes from them. CR is different kettle of fish than old JZ .. JZ used his usual tactics to disarm the opposition and their questions. Humour mostly, our pain point : race, personified in his JvR construct. CR actually engages , and goes toe to toe with the opposition ... nett result : substance flows from the exchanges. I like John, -in part that he is not part of the laptop brigade + his cut from that old parliamentarian cloth and will be lost to the institution.... if he leads the official opposition in parliament ... as no one capable is in the wings, ready to slip into his former position and build on it.
 
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Adriaan Basson: How Helen Zille built and broke the DA

It is hard to think of a modern day South African politician who has done more to soil their legacy beyond redemption than Helen Zille. Jacob Zuma doesn't count; he didn't have a reputation to start with.

But history should have been kind to Zille. The activist-journalist-turned-politician transformed a small, white, liberal party into a serious South African powerhouse that was governing a province and a city, steadily on its way to achieving 30% at the national polls.

Zille's track record as activist and journalist was solid. A fierce opponent of apartheid, her words and deeds reflected someone with strong morals and a backbone.

Under Zille as leader, the Democratic Alliance became acceptable to black South Africans. It was no longer strange to see a black woman or man wearing a DA t-shirt in rural towns, poor neighbourhoods or city townships.

Joe Seremane was no longer the only black person in DA town.
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Adriaan Basson | How Helen Zille built and broke the DA | News24

Helen Zille grew the DA from a parochial, provincial party into a national powerhouse that doubled its support in a decade. But like many liberation leaders-turned-dictators, Zille couldn't let go of the power. So she took down the house of cards with her, writes <strong>Adriaan Basson</strong>.
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Let’s see. Is there anyone black among DA MP that you consider president worthy?
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The DA has to rebuild it's brand, sadly, under Mmusi (who I really had a lot of faith, met him in person and he had a really good presence about it) the DA didn't do much (that's my opinion..), and just tried to focus on showing how bad the ANC is... as opposed to showing how much progress it's made in the places it holds control...

Having said that, I'm not a politician - thank goodness! - so who knows maybe the fear factor is the right place (look at the ANC and how they've kept power purely relying on the fear of whites)...
 
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Having said that, I'm not a politician - thank goodness! - so who knows maybe the fear factor is the right place (look at the ANC and how they've kept power purely relying on the fear of whites)...
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That is just minor part of it. Do you meet black people, especially older ones? You will know then.
 
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winner said:
Yet you can’t think of any black DA MP worthy. That right there is the problem. Who is president worthy according to you anyway?
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Sadly, you seem to think that I want a white president ... hand on heart tell you, I do not care what colour my president is (for that matter, I don't care about colour full stop!) - I just want a government that actually wants to make South Africa better.

This is the problem that the ANC has created, the feeling that you feel, that we have to have a black president - it's wrong man, we really need a president and a party who want South Africa to succeed.

Why is it so important to you what colour our president is? Isn't that what we fought so hard against in the first place? Please man, try see the wood for the trees, try see that I'm not picking colour, I'm picking South Africa!
 
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The reality that SA’s white liberals need to confront is that the bulk of middle-class black South-Africans (whose votes are up for grabs) suffer from an incurable collective inferiority complex and associated victim mentality.

They will never vote for the classical liberalism so coveted by sophisticated whites.

They will keep handing their votes to the ANC or boycott the polls in full knowledge that Zim 2.0 is looming if the only alternative is voting for a party that does not acknowledge their victimhood.

When your enemy is willing to take the fight to the sewers as Mbeki’s recent comments prove, your principles become their weapon.
 
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Verde said:
bulk of middle-class black South-Africans (whose votes are up for grabs) suffer from an incurable collective inferiority complex and associated victim mentality.
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Yes, that is one way to try win them. You must join politics.
 
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surface said:
I like Mmusi but not DA. Perhaps there are others as well?
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I liked Mashaba but not the DA, same way as many VF+ and DA supporters who supported Pravin when Zuma was on his case but don't like the ANC.
 
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