Mmusi Maimane will resign as DA leader

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AstroTurf said:
I don't think SA can claim to be a democracy just yet, till the ANC lose a general election we are at best a one party state.
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Absolutely, that is why we have to fight for this fragile chance at democracy rather than some noble ideal that no other society has ever fully realised in history.
 
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They won't be just fine, they will rebuild for sure but they won't be just fine. In case you forgot, they had 59% in the WC in 2014, started the De lille fracas and they dropped to 55%, not too long after that we now have this, and you think they will be fine?

Which political part has ever been fine after some infighting and a split? The biggest political party in the country is still not fine even today, the IFP and Cope are still not fine.
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I guess what I am saying is that, yes, they will rebuild. Some people are talking doom and gloom for the future of the DA.
 
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thechamp said:
They won't be just fine, they will rebuild for sure but they won't be just fine. In case you forgot, []they had 59% in the WC in 2014, started the De lille fracas and they dropped to 55%[/b], not too long after that we now have this, and you think they will be fine?

Which political part has ever been fine after some infighting and a split? The biggest political party in the country is still not fine even today, the IFP and Cope are still not fine.
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Except that many on here with an anti-DA bent - perhaps not you - were predicting that the DA would lose the Western Cape after the De Lille saga. 59% is pretty much the max (give or take a few percent) that the DA could achieve in the Western Cape anyhow given the demographics.
 
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thechamp said:
The definition of democracy does not change if the party you hate keeps on winning. We are a fully fledged democracy, believe it or not.
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We are a de facto one-party state aspiring or pretending to be a democracy.
 
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I do not think Mmusi tried to sabotage the DA, I'm sure he thought identity politics would work.
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It probably could've worked if he wasn't seen as a puppet. A lot happened during his time as leader of the party. De Lille, to BEE or not to BEE, twitter, Mazzone, Dianne Kohler-Barnard, Tshwane Chief of staff saga, etc.
 
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AstroTurf said:
Have a read here:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One-party_state

and here:

Dominant-party system - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org en.wikipedia.org

Not trying to be conservative, or right wong, or whatever, that is just what this country is. It is not yet a democracy.
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From your link,
A one-party state, single-party state, one-party system, or single-party system is a type of state in which one political party has the right to form the government, usually based on the existing constitution.[1] All other parties are either outlawed or allowed to take only a limited and controlled participation in elections
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I'd say maybe China and Russia are one party states but not SA.
 
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ForceFate said:
From your link,

I'd say maybe China and Russia are one party states but not SA.
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De facto one party state... (should have said that from the beginning but did not, I apologise and will go edit my first mention to that effect).
 
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AstroTurf said:
De facto one party state... (should have said that from the beginning but did not, I apologise and will go edit my first mention to that effect).
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one party state is defined as "A one-party state is a form of government where the country is ruled by a single political party, meaning only one political party exists and the forming of other political parties is forbidden. "
 
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surface said:
one party state is defined as "A one-party state is a form of government where the country is ruled by a single political party, meaning only one political party exists and the forming of other political parties is forbidden. "
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yes, and one paragraph down:

Sometimes the term de facto one-party state is used to describe a dominant-party system that, unlike the one-party state, allows (at least nominally) democratic multiparty elections, but the existing practices or balance of political power effectively prevent the opposition from winning the elections.
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https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1187448827973984256

Is this what those taking the DA back want - a party representing minorities.

If that is the case then will they acknowledge that their desire to find a comfortable political home for themselves is creating a crisis threatening our infantile democracy.

The black middle class stands between us and a Zim scenario.

They need a stick to hit the ANC with, like they did in 2016.

Without the DA infrastructure and its financial backers there is scant chance that Mmusi and co will mange to build such a vehicle for the black middle class.

Lets hope corporate SA wakes up to this and realise that the DA wants to be another minority party and move their resources from the DA to whatever grouping forms to fill this space.
 
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ForceFate said:
It probably could've worked if he wasn't seen as a puppet.
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I'm not sure I agree, the person who falls for identity politics is the EFF type individual who is vocal on social media, but will never vote for the DA.
 
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thechamp said:
The definition of democracy does not change if the party you hate keeps on winning. We are a fully fledged democracy, believe it or not.
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The ANC cannot be held accountable nor challenged in parliament even if every single opposition party rallies against them.

On paper its a democracy. In practice its a one-party state.
 
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thechamp said:
I was not talking about him, I was talking about the whole DA collective.
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It was expected response. There is a lot of denialism going on there, as per usual.

This "we tried, but it failed" story goes against the fact that there was a lot of black stabbing going on that until now hasn't been addressed.

They undermined the leader of the party regularly, at the behest of the clique leadership....yet none of those incidents were punished, or even addressed.
 
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