Mmusi Maimane will resign as DA leader

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thechamp said:
DA's own stats proves this to be wrong though, they actually prove that Maimane presided over a considerable rise in black support for the DA, did the esteemed writer miss something or did the DA review panel get it wrong?
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Between 2016 and 2019. Can you really attribute most or all of the black growth between 2014 and 2016 to Mmusi when he only became the leader in 2015 and there was large dissatisfaction with the Zuma government at the time? It was particularly after 2014 that much of the worst stuff about the Zuma administration came out.
 
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Quick question, since she has now admitted to her treasonous ways of hiding terrorists in her house, is she now a terrorist like Mandela?
 
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Chris_the_Brit said:
Between 2016 and 2019. Can you really attribute most or all of the black growth between 2014 and 2016 to Mmusi when he only became the leader in 2015 and there was large dissatisfaction with the Zuma government at the time? It was particularly after 2014 that much of the worst stuff about the Zuma administration came out.
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No, I just want everyone to be judged fairly and given the credit they deserve, now back to the question, Maimane got 5.6% of the black vote in the 2016 election and got 4% in 2019, how does that equate to him presiding over a considerable decline in black support as the writer alleges?
 
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No, I just want everyone to be judged fairly and given the credit they deserve, now back to the question, Maimane got 5.6% of the black vote in the 2016 election and got 4% in 2019, how does that equate to him presiding over a considerable decline in black support as the writer alleges?
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It's an almost 30 percent decline. That's quite big .
 
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thechamp said:
No, I just want everyone to be judged fairly and given the credit they deserve, now back to the question, Maimane got 5.6% of the black vote in the 2016 election and got 4% in 2019, how does that equate to him presiding over a considerable decline in black support as the writer alleges?
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I don't think you know how this works. If it increases, it's the DA. If it decreases, it's Mmusi fault.

Another error being made is that there is no distinction between the 2 different type of elections , even though they are very different in nature
 
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Hamish McPanji said:
I don't think you know how this works. If it increases, it's the DA. If it decreases, it's Mmusi fault.

Another error being made is that there is no distinction between the 2 different type of elections , even though they are very different in nature
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Very true that. I pointed it out a long time ago. But the myBB comrades refuted it because it did not suite them at the time.

But then again, you do know that about 63.24% of all stats are made up on the spot ...? :sneaky:
 
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He took a poisoned chalice, I'm sure he didn't know that when he took it.
You do go badmouthing your last employer, if they blame you for not being able to achieve your tasks whilst undermining your authority the whole time.
I think you're just too used to the "thank you, baas" attitude. That frikkin ingrate didn't appreciate all those gifts what his masters gave him
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Read the article linked above -- Post #550
Of course he knew exactly what he was getting into ......

From what I understand the "gifts" came about via PRIVATE persons
Perhaps HE can tell us about THOSE ?
 
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Very true that. I pointed it out a long time ago. But the myBB comrades refuted it because it did not suite them at the time.

But then again, you do know that about 63.24% of all stats are made up on the spot ...? :sneaky:
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I have it at 63.74%, but I'll accept your error as close enough
 
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https://www.politicsweb.co.za/opinion/the-da-pays-the-price

I applaud this eloquent defence of a 9 year old carcass.

the South African liberal tradition is by no means weak. It is by far the oldest political tradition in the country.
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I agree and support, but we need to defer the dream, we have bigger fish to fry.

The bits where the cognitive dissonance really shows:

In all the cases... the nominee... played the race card against the party which had given them their political career. Maimane, in his resignation speech, did this yet again, as had Mashaba, de Lille and Mazibuko. Such behaviour would have been unthinkable if he and the others named above had been truly committed to the liberal project or had been in the party long enough to grow deep roots in it. And that is really the key.
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The DA started giving up on their liberal project in 2010 when they joined forces with de Lille to great effect finally winning Cape Town outright, a momentous moment for our fledgling democracy.

The 2014 national poll was a wake-up call when ineffective opposition handed the Zuma kleptocracy 62% of the vote punishing them with less than 4% from their previous showing despite public knowledge of rampant corruption and gross ineptitude.

In response, 20 years too late a black leader Maimane was drafted closing the door on the failed liberal policies of the party. His remit was to transform the party to attract the black middle class vote, and he succeeded spectacularly when in 2016 the metros of NMB, Tshwane and astonishingly JHB installed DA mayors.

The ANC under severe pressure responded in 2018 at their elective congress, electing a moderate when their every instinct pined for radicalism.

The DA’s foresight through this decade’s national crisis saved us from the worst outcome. You can’t expect much more from democracy.

Mashaba, de Lille, Mazibuko and Maimane did exactly what they were elected for, they were not expected to be committed to the short term demands of a liberal project.

A great deal will depend on whether the party can pull back the Afrikaans voters that it is currently haemorrhaging. The greatest disaster of Maimane’s leadership was the impression he gave of being willing to sacrifice Afrikaners in order to win over blacks – a classic ANC stratagem and foolish in the extreme in a party in which Afrikaans-speakers were the largest single bloc.
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How can we break this to poor RW Johnson, this largest single block does not subscribe to his (our) creed of liberalism. Most of them positively recoil from the term liberal. They voted for the DA only because reality set in – defeating the ANC monster required a gloves off approach, principles had to wait.

If those votes return to their natural home the VF+ they are not lost to the cause of opposing ANC overreach.
 
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John Steenhuisen, Zwakele Mncwango in running to lead DA

Cape Town - Former DA chief whip John Steenhuisen and KwaZulu-Natal provincial leader Zwakele Mncwango have emerged as frontrunners to replace Mmusi Maimane.
DA federal council chairperson Helen Zille said the interim leader of the party would be elected next month and the special federal council would also elect the interim chairperson.

www.iol.co.za

John Steenhuisen, Zwakele Mncwango in running to lead DA

Ex-chief whip Steenhuisen, KZN leader Mncwango set to throw hats in ring to replace Maimane
www.iol.co.za www.iol.co.za
 
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