Mmusi Maimane will resign as DA leader

[Scary_Turtle]

Can't the DA put John Steenhuisen in power he would be a hoot at roasting the ANC and EFF.

He would at least give the DA supporters some reason to keep an eye on politics.

 

[TheChamp]

Can't the DA put John Steenhuisen in power he would be a hoot at roasting the ANC and EFF.

He would at least give the DA supporters some reason to keep an eye on politics.

Will he get them votes though? Because he is already doing the roasting in parliament.

 

[LazyLion]

Having thought about this a little bit... I actually can't see this affecting the political landscape much.

Here's my take on this...

1) Mmusi Maimane and Herman Mashaba form a new party and it draws some of the black voters away from the ANC, the DA and maybe even the EFF. The DA will lose a few percentage points, but will drop back to 2014 levels (which really isn't that much different).
2) Mmusi Maimane and Herman Mashaba join other predominantly smaller parties like the EFF or COPE. Same result as above.
3) Mmusi Maimane and Herman Mashaba fade into obscurity....

So really... I don't see this thing changing the political landscape much. If anything DA will lose a few percentage points, but the ones who stand to lose the most are actually the ANC....

 

[ForceFate]

Can't the DA put John Steenhuisen in power he would be a hoot at roasting the ANC and EFF.

He would at least give the DA supporters some reason to keep an eye on politics.

Nah, he's no different from Maimane. Right now, they need a veteran politician with a clear head.

 

[hungrymamba]

Can't the DA put John Steenhuisen in power he would be a hoot at roasting the ANC and EFF.

He would at least give the DA supporters some reason to keep an eye on politics.

That's just about the only thing he and the rest of them are good for... 'point of orders...'

 

[Scary_Turtle]

Will he get them votes though? Because he is already doing the roasting in parliament.

I don't know but would be fun to see him just giving the ANC and EFF hell on a daily basis.

 

[R13...]

Having thought about this a little bit... I actually can't see this affecting the political landscape much.

Here's my take on this...

1) Mmusi Maimane and Herman Mashaba form a new party and it draws some of the black voters away from the ANC, the DA and maybe even the EFF. The DA will lose a few percentage points, but will drop back to 2014 levels (which really isn't that much different).
2) Mmusi Maimane and Herman Mashaba join other predominantly smaller parties like the EFF or COPE. Same result as above.
3) Mmusi Maimane and Herman Mashaba fade into obscurity....

So really... I don't see this thing changing the political landscape much. If anything DA will lose a few percentage points, but the ones who stand to lose the most are actually the ANC....

3) more likely, neither of them have the pull to bring in any significant following. De Lille got very little and she is supposed to have a good following, those two will have even less than that.

 

[Scary_Turtle]

That's just about the only thing he and the rest of them are good for... 'point of orders...'

Lol when people think that their opinions matter ....

 

[ForceFate]

I don't know but would be fun to see him just giving the ANC and EFF hell on a daily basis.

A lot more happens outside the chambers.

 

[Hamish McPanji]

now that the old cast is out ,,, who will be the new gang?

He looks like Gorbachev in that picture

 

[konfab]

now that the old cast is out ,,, who will be the new gang?

I think Athol Trollip will step in as interim leader, with them calling a new elective conference to decide.

I think Helen Zille's biggest mistake was to try and fast track the party hierarchy by pushing candidates like Mmusi and Lindiwe. Mmusi told the whole world he wasn't committed to liberal values when he went for the election in 2015 when he stated he wanted a referendum on the death penulty.
https://www.news24.com/SouthAfrica/News/Maimane-backs-down-on-death-penalty-referendum-20150506

 

[yebocan]

He lookd like Gorbachev in that picture

 

[grok]

Pay back the Maimoney!!

Lol, bye!

 

[The_Right_Honourable_Brit]

Gained a lot where they would traditionally not have has a chance. How many of those lost were due to emigration?

Actually the DA went backwards in terms of the black vote won in 2019 compared to 2014 IIRC.

Edit: I see from Konfab's post it is backwards from 2016. My mistake.

 

[konfab]

Gained a lot where they would traditionally not have has a chance. How many of those lost were due to emigration?

https://www.politicsweb.co.za/documents/what-is-wrong-with-the-da-and-how-to-fix-it

They didn't. Check out the tables.

They went from 92% of the white vote to 72%.

Similar sort of story for other demographic groups.

 

[Dups!]

Because the EFF are a reputable party of sound ethical principle with no record of bungling, no own goals, and no corruption?

I think the point being made is that the DA is alienating the majority of its voter base, and its potential voter base by having "pushed" out the Black members.

The obvious next scenario is the EFF becoming the official opposition after the DA bleeds a lot of Black voters and not being able to attract any or many Black votes.

 

[ForceFate]

Actually the DA went backwards in terms of the black vote won in 2019 compared to 2014 IIRC.

This was partly the result of how they handled the de Lille saga, the realisation that Maimane held no real power within the party and their policy flip flopping (Resulted in Gwen Ngwenya stepping down from policy matters). How did they do in local government elections in 2016 compared to previous years?

 

[konfab]

Nah, he's no different from Maimane. Right now, they need a veteran politician with a clear head.

I would say Wilmot James.

 

[Nerfherder]

Many former DA voters on N&CA have vowed to never vote for the DA again, claiming to have found a home with VF+. How is the recovery going to happen if former voters hold this view?

Honestly those that move over now misunderstood what the DA were about completely.

I see the DA and VF+ as different as the EFF and DA.

The only possible commonality is defiance of the ANC.

 

[TheChamp]

I think the point being made is that the DA is alienating the majority of its voter base, and its potential voter base by having "pushed" out the Black members.

The obvious next scenario is the EFF becoming the official opposition after the DA bleeds a lot of Black voters and not being able to attract any or many Black votes.

My feeling is that those black voters are likely to go back to the ANC than the EFF, the EFF has done a lot of blunders and alienated whatever sympathizers they might have gained from the Zuma era. Signs of a stagnation are already evident from the recent election, I honestly don't see them benefiting out of the DA mess.