Mom hospitalized after her 2 kids killed in pit bull attack [US]

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wingnut771 said:
I'm sure if you grew up with pitbulls and your friend had dobermans, you would say the exact same thing with the breeds reversed.

In all seriousness, Dobermans are awesome. So are Pitbulls.

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Pitbulls as a whole are apparently a problem due to some very dubious breeding practises that at some stage purposely bred them for the killer instinct, unfortunately that kill switch now lurks within them to a degree greater than any other breed. The only other dogs I have experienced anything close to that kill you if I could Pitbull vibe is with Rotties and guess what they are number 2 on the murder list. Facts of life, doesn't mean every Pitbull is a born killer but it would be foolish not to acknowledge the risk, especially if you have young children.
 
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airborne said:
Pitbulls as a whole are apparently a problem due to some very dubious breeding practises that at some stage purposely bred them for the killer instinct, unfortunately that kill switch now lurks within them to a degree greater than any other breed. The only other dogs I have experienced anything close to that kill you if I could Pitbull vibe is with Rotties and guess what they are number 2 on the murder list. Facts of life, doesn't mean every Pitbull is a born killer but it would be foolish not to acknowledge the risk, especially if you have young children.
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I got a rottie now (the one crawled up in a ball on the couch) that was a rescue, was tied to a pole the first 6 months of its life, was all skin and bones and mangey. Now he's normal weight (maybe a bit fat haha and has all his hair) He has a very awesome loveable nature. I hear you, I think that comes from frustration because they are technically working dogs and very intelligent.
 
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The thing with rotties that people don't realise is they where bred to intimidate. Originally they where bred to scare the **** out of anything that dared come near German nobility estates. They were bred to look and act mean. Now this is not what they are bred for anymore, but that instinct is going to take at least a century to fully remove.

You cannot breed a dog for a purpose for a hundred years and then have a U-turn just all of a sudden. Again they are smart dogs. They can be chill. You just have to be a better dog breeder than half the people who own them.
 
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GSD are good family dogs if raised with kids. Not sure about routines, seen some lovely ones and families. An older GSD or one trained elsewhere can be a problem.

I love my Ridgebacks. Loyal, family protective, gentle with children and toddlers, never heard of one turning on a family.

Intruders or perps on the other hand make good lunches. Their speed always surprises someone.
 
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rietrot said:
German shepherds scare me the most.

Okay for work dogs, but definitely not a pet I would ever keep.
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Lovely dogs, MIL had a massive one came in about 48kg. But he was so laid back, we had one for a bit but our Boston never accepted him. Kept going him and eventually after 3 months he snapped and damaged her eye, we gave him to an ex security guy and the dog lived another 4 years with him and his boys, dog loved those boys.
I've had a lot of dogs and mostly all mixed breeds, any dog can snap and it can be quick. With rescue dogs you've got to be especially careful for 6 months. Though when they have adapted they are best.
 
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wingnut771 said:
and yet Dobermans don't even make that stat I posted. Dobermans are the best dogs ever, they look resident evil scary but they're not.

Clearly you're not a dog person or ever owned these dogs.

I've had, pit bulls, rotties, dobermans, staffies, jack russell's, boerbulls, and a cocker spaniel. Guess which one was the most trouble? Never been to training either.
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Dobermans were the dogs blamed in the 70s/80s then the German Shepherds, the 90s was the Rottweilers, I have experienced a Rottweilers attack in the 90s and they were mentioned a lot back then.
 
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Lupus said:
Dobermans were the dogs blamed in the 70s/80s then the German Shepherds, the 90s was the Rottweilers, I have experienced a Rottweilers attack in the 90s and they were mentioned a lot back then.
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Any dog attack is scary and very violent. Just because the breed is super strong, the consequences are worse.
 
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Emjay said:
Content not for sensitive people.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1579174185800151040

The more I read about this breed, the more I am pretty certain permits should be handed out to own such dogs.
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The problem is how do you determine which dogs need a permit and which ones don't?

Would a Pitbull-Golden retriever hybrid need a permit? How about a dog with 1/4 of pitbull?

Something more generic like needing a permit for dogs over a specific weight would make more sense than a breed specific permit.

It makes more sense because it is temperament or breed independent, it is dependent on the capacity of the animal to really hurt someone.
 
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konfab said:
The problem is how do you determine which dogs need a permit and which ones don't?

Would a Pitbull-Golden retriever hybrid need a permit? How about a dog with 1/4 of pitbull?

Something more generic like needing a permit for dogs over a specific weight would make more sense than a breed specific permit.

It makes more sense because it is temperament or breed independent, it is dependent on the capacity of the animal to really hurt someone.
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Easy any dog that commits 66% of dog attacks needs a permit. The rate of abuse and neglect among all the dog breeds should be with some outliers, the same. When two-thirds of dog attacks come from one single breed then it is certain that is not the owners or anything done to the dogs that are the problem, but the dog itself.

Again I have no problem admitting that any dog can be violent, but 66% of dog attacks coming from one source are damming.
 
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wingnut771 said:
and yet Dobermans don't even make that stat I posted. Dobermans are the best dogs ever, they look resident evil scary but they're not.

Clearly you're not a dog person or ever owned these dogs.

I've had, pit bulls, rotties, dobermans, staffies, jack russell's, boerbulls, and a cocker spaniel. Guess which one was the most trouble? Never been to training either.
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Yeah, Dobermans are the best, We have had plenty of dogs and have had a lot of breeds throughout the years. Poodles, Corgi, Jack Russel, Fox Terrier, Plenty of yorkies, Chows, Rottweiler, German Shepherd, Dachshund, Labrador and lastly the Doberman.
The Doberman is the sweetest of them all. She has such a tiny heart. She even allows other dogs to eat her food. But there is nothing she enjoys more than laying in front of the gate and waiting for someone to pass. She LOVES scaring people with her HUGE bark. But when you open the gate she runs away lol.
I dont get why people think Dobermans are dangerous. I would not want to cross an aggressive doberman, But their nature does not seem like they are aggressive dogs at all. They are extremely intelligent. They can assess a scenario and act on that.
Rottweilers on the other hand.....

I'm just glad we don't get Pitbull sized Dachshund's, If someone wants to talk about an aggrsive little siht.....this is something I would fear.....
 
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