Moral debate with myself regarding where my vote must go to in next election.

rambo919

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Plently of idots automatically equate "white interest groups" with "white supremacy" without any actual evidence for it..... which is rather racist if you think about it especially when the same reflex is not equally applied to "black interest groups".
 

Rouxenator

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A lot of hate is shown towards the VF+ because of alleged white supremacy in the party, can someone please link my articles to back these claims?

I don't know much about COPE, but they might get my vote for sake of numbers against ANC.
The majority of voters practice identity politics. So if you can't beat 'em then join 'em. I'm doing identity politics too now and voting VF+ because I am white, Afrikaans and just like the majority I DGAF about anyone else.
 

evilstebunny

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The majority of voters practice identity politics. So if you can't beat 'em then join 'em. I'm doing identity politics too now and voting VF+ because I am white, Afrikaans and just like the majority I DGAF about anyone else.
Congrats. A box of matches & Atul's business card and you're ready for your first RET..
 

rambo919

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Somehow I think the general VF+ voter would frown on you..... they tend to be either conservative or neo-conservative.
 

Rouxenator

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Somehow I think the general VF+ voter would frown on you..... they tend to be either conservative or neo-conservative.
Yes, they would, they are also mostly Christian and I do not think they would appreciate the diversity of my interracial porn collection. But be that as it may, I stand by my believes that you an be white and Afrikaans and perfectly happy with it while still not being a racist and being very liberal and progressive.

The DA does not work for me as they back racist policies such as AA and BEE.
 

Ockie

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The Freedom Front Plus is often dismissed as a fringe party of Afrikaner separatists with no meaningful role to play in South African politics. In the run-up to the 2019 elections, however, analysts are beginning to speculate that the FF+ could see quite significant growth at the polls — in particular, from white voters disenchanted with the DA. Last week, the results of two by-elections gave an early — if small-scale — indication that this may indeed be the case.


A by-election held in George saw the DA lose 11% of its previous support while the FF+ gained 9%. In a Kroonstad by-election, meanwhile, Scholtz says that if the results are disaggregated to look at white voters only, the DA lost 8% and the FF+ gained 26%

In response to Scholtz’s tweets on the subject last week, FF+ MP Wouter Wessels pointed out that the party had seen significant gains in two other recent by-elections. The FF+ increased its vote share in a Metsimaholo by-election by 35%, with growth of 73% in a ward in Parys. In the same Parys by-election, DA support dropped by 48% and ANC support by 45%


DA spokesperson Solly Malatsi dismisses the idea that the party has anything to fear from the FF+ in 2019.

“We are not vulnerable with regards to losing existing votes,” Malatsi told Daily Maverick.
It is a from November last year, but only came across it last night.

https://www.dailymaverick.co.za/art...-could-claim-portion-of-da-vote-among-whites/
 

Marcell1992

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Yes, they would, they are also mostly Christian and I do not think they would appreciate the diversity of my interracial porn collection. But be that as it may, I stand by my believes that you an be white and Afrikaans and perfectly happy with it while still not being a racist and being very liberal and progressive.

The DA does not work for me as they back racist policies such as AA and BEE.
The "interracial" part or the "porn" part? I would say the porn part.

I'm still genuinely interested in seeing articles about the VF+ demonstrating white supremacy. The only articles I can recall is of all races' interests. If I can recall one article, they joined a black farmer in his fight against his land being occupied by illegals. During an election a long time ago they gave their votes to DA in order beat out ANC. Now how's that for white supremacy I tell you, smh
 

Rouxenator

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I wonder if anyone has made a list of African countries that illustrates the lack of leadership after gaining independence?
 

satanboy

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Plently of idots automatically equate "white interest groups" with "white supremacy" without any actual evidence for it..... which is rather racist if you think about it especially when the same reflex is not equally applied to "black interest groups".
Oh but we do.
 

Drifter

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As much as I dont want to vote for the DA, it is the only sensible choice. They are the strongest opposition for the ANC, so that is why I will have to vote for them .
 

Ockie

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I wonder if anyone has made a list of African countries that illustrates the lack of leadership after gaining independence?
What would be the point. The map would be all the same colour. Only exceptions I can think of is South Africa (for better or worse, depending on what metrics you looking at), and maybe Botswana. Maybe Zim also up and to the 2000's?
 

LazyLion

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South African politics might actually be in a "stale-mate state" much like the USA, where things are not expected to change by a large margin. It's actually more proof that the entire system is flawed.
Would love to be ruled by a benevolent oligarchy of elected scientists (obviously with some experience or training in politics). But that's a pipe dream.

The problem is that the ideal demands that everyone be given a fair vote, but that a large proportion of the voters are simply just too uneducated to vote wisely.
 
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