More job cuts at Derivco

Benedict A55h0le not said:
Like I said, politics always got in the way so far in my career. I probably would earn that if I was American, but this is SA, with dumbass companies.
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If you could earn that in the US, why bother with SA? Navigating corporate politics is also part of the skill set.
 
PackageDeal said:
Enjoy the time off, I am taking 2 months to rejuvenate. Going to travel to Thailand with the family during these school holidays for 10 days and create some memories which wouldn't have been possible if it wasn't for this package.

I agree Derivo really did good by us at the end.
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Shame, one my friends who was unlucky not to get a package was in tears to me yesterday on a call. She gave me some news that I won't repeat but the staff that are left behind are getting screwed in a big way. They going to lose a lot more people soon.
We are the lucky ones!!
 
Flipperbait said:
Shame, one my friends who was unlucky not to get a package was in tears to me yesterday on a call. She gave me some news that I won't repeat but the staff that are left behind are getting screwed in a big way. They going to lose a lot more people soon.
We are the lucky ones!!
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The lesson from this

If you want loyalty, get a dog.
Work is just something
 
Flipperbait said:
Shame, one my friends who was unlucky not to get a package was in tears to me yesterday on a call. She gave me some news that I won't repeat but the staff that are left behind are getting screwed in a big way. They going to lose a lot more people soon.
We are the lucky ones!!
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Why wouldn't she get a package?

I feel sorry for the few people I know that resigned in the months leading up to June. They missed out on a generous package!
 
Flipperbait said:
Shame, one my friends who was unlucky not to get a package was in tears to me yesterday on a call. She gave me some news that I won't repeat but the staff that are left behind are getting screwed in a big way. They going to lose a lot more people soon.
We are the lucky ones!!
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Now I really want to know.
 
Bob21 said:
I feel sorry for the few people I know that resigned in the months leading up to June. They missed out on a generous package!
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Did they just resign by chance or they knew layoffs were coming?
 
cguy said:
You have just described a junior developer.
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Nope, maybe only the chief architect needs to have a good understanding of the larger ecosystem. Unless the company uses outdated methodologies and technology. Ever heard of pods, or agile methodology, and microservices? One of the benefits of microservices is that developers can work in isolated pods and get the job done without knowing much about the larger ecosystem. Only an architect might sometimes work across pods.
 
Benedict A55h0le not said:
Nope, maybe only the chief architect needs to have a good understanding of the larger ecosystem. Unless the company uses outdated methodologies and technology. Ever heard of pods, or agile methodology, and microservices? One of the benefits of microservices is that developers can work in isolated pods and get the job done without knowing much about the larger ecosystem. Only an architect might sometimes work across pods.
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You are correct that not everyone needs to know everything, however, the base level domain knowledge to be effective beyond a junior role is very significant for any core role of a company building advanced technology.

You’re not going to become an effective senior software developer at AMD without understanding how their processor architecture design process works. You’re not going to be a significant contributor at OpenAI, unless you have a deep understanding of how their research, training and/or inference systems work. You’re not going to be particularly useful at RenTech unless you understand the right combination of maths, CS, finance, system architecture, and how they specifically use it.
 
cguy said:
You are correct that not everyone needs to know everything, however, the base level domain knowledge to be effective beyond a junior role is very significant for any core role of a company building advanced technology.

You’re not going to become an effective senior software developer at AMD without understanding how their processor architecture design process works. You’re not going to be a significant contributor at OpenAI, unless you have a deep understanding of how their research, training and/or inference systems work. You’re not going to be particularly useful at RenTech unless you understand the right combination of maths, CS, finance, system architecture, and how they specifically use it.
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This is not true for 99% of software development done in SA. For normal business systems, there really is no need to know the ecosystem to be a productive senior dev. For normal business systems, senior devs work in isolated pods alongside juniors. I have worked for 25 clients in SA, and for all of them it was more productive for all devs to stay focused on their specific tasks, rather than being distracted by the larger ecosystem. I have done work as a developer for a few financial institutions, and my lack of knowledge about finance has never been a problem to complete the tasks effectively. It seems it is different for Derivco and other tech companies, but these type of companies are very scarce in SA.
 
FiestaST said:
Color/colour me surprised that a Derivco thread (of any kind) received so much traction :oops: :unsure:
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This is a tech forum, and this is big news in local tech. And many of us are IT people. It is more surprising that non-tech threads gets so much attention. Like the Mazda 323 thread still has more posts than this thread:unsure:
 
Sarg3_ZN said:
That's not too bad, imagine if they stopped the free coffee
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I'm assuming this is mostly sarcasm. xD

I ended up self employed because I got jerked around with WFH. When I interviewed at the company at the campus in Bryanston they were like "we don't care where you are as long as your **** is done"... I said "good, because I currently sometimes see the office once in two weeks". Started working there, during probation I went through every day... to build my credibility and such. Then politics happened and they cancelled work from home for everyone. My commute was 85 - 90km one way... so that screwed me over, 2 hours+ in each direction plus a lot of petrol cost.

I spoke to my manager... ended up with "came from higher up but give it a month"... for 6 months.

When they announced retrenchments I took a voluntary package and moved to self employment.

If it had been coffee cancellation... I would have ducked after 3 months... not a year. lol
 
warrenpridgeon said:
I'm assuming this is mostly sarcasm. xD

I ended up self employed because I got jerked around with WFH. When I interviewed at the company at the campus in Bryanston they were like "we don't care where you are as long as your **** is done"... I said "good, because I currently sometimes see the office once in two weeks". Started working there, during probation I went through every day... to build my credibility and such. Then politics happened and they cancelled work from home for everyone. My commute was 85 - 90km one way... so that screwed me over, 2 hours+ in each direction plus a lot of petrol cost.

I spoke to my manager... ended up with "came from higher up but give it a month"... for 6 months.

When they announced retrenchments I took a voluntary package and moved to self employment.

If it had been coffee cancellation... I would have ducked after 3 months... not a year. lol
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So the cost and time wasted on a 180km drive in traffic a day is better than buying your own coffee :unsure: , No wonder all the plebs rushed back to office, The logic defies me.
 
warrenpridgeon said:
I'm assuming this is mostly sarcasm. xD

I ended up self employed because I got jerked around with WFH. When I interviewed at the company at the campus in Bryanston they were like "we don't care where you are as long as your **** is done"... I said "good, because I currently sometimes see the office once in two weeks". Started working there, during probation I went through every day... to build my credibility and such. Then politics happened and they cancelled work from home for everyone. My commute was 85 - 90km one way... so that screwed me over, 2 hours+ in each direction plus a lot of petrol cost.

I spoke to my manager... ended up with "came from higher up but give it a month"... for 6 months.

When they announced retrenchments I took a voluntary package and moved to self employment.

If it had been coffee cancellation... I would have ducked after 3 months... not a year. lol
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It's the little things that push you over the limit.
There are a 100 reasons to quit my job but the other day I came into the office for my weekly visitation and the machine was out of order.

There were at least 3 of us ready to quit. Apparently it was the second day of this outage, I saw the guys come in later to do a swap out.

No one was even joking about it...
 
Benedict A55h0le not said:
This is not true for 99% of software development done in SA. For normal business systems, there really is no need to know the ecosystem to be a productive senior dev. For normal business systems, senior devs work in isolated pods alongside juniors. I have worked for 25 clients in SA, and for all of them it was more productive for all devs to stay focused on their specific tasks, rather than being distracted by the larger ecosystem. I have done work as a developer for a few financial institutions, and my lack of knowledge about finance has never been a problem to complete the tasks effectively. It seems it is different for Derivco and other tech companies, but these type of companies are very scarce in SA.
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“Normal business systems in South Africa” is a hell or a scope contraction. Even then I doubt it’s ubiquity.

The reason you don’t encounter these types of roles is almost certainly because of the type of work you do. Having 25 clients in SA alone pretty much confirms that.
 
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