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-toady-

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*Now TOADY, if you catch on to my reply to DEBBY2, you will realise saying grace, thanking god is giving credit to every single hand involved in making that food available...* thats cool then douwdouw...heheh....

I consider myself to be a very spiritual person in my own way but literally couldnt breathe after reading halicons post.... sure i have a weird sense of humour but found that absolutely classic!!!!!


toady:D
 

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as if what consenting adults do with each other is anyone elses business
but the people concerned, I think 'concerns over gays' by so-called christians,
is just unacknowledged insecurity over their own sexuality.
What any adult does sexually, with consenting partner(s) is no ones business or concern
- anyone who wants to be concerned, is basically a voyeuristic pervert, using
'what jeezus/fat fairy wants' as an excuse to turn themselves on and give themselves a
secret thrill..
try http://godlovesfags.blogspot.com/
 

Mr TB

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as if what consenting adults do with each other is anyone elses business
but the people concerned, I think 'concerns over gays' by so-called christians,
is just unacknowledged insecurity over their own sexuality.
What any adult does sexually, with consenting partner(s) is no ones business or concern
- anyone who wants to be concerned, is basically a voyeuristic pervert, using
'what jeezus/fat fairy wants' as an excuse to turn themselves on and give themselves a
secret thrill..
try http://godlovesfags.blogspot.com/
LG before even having a look at gay matters, it is necessary to determine the real argument between the christian and the non-christian.
The real argument does not even consist of whether god exist or not.
The basic argument for the non-christian concerns the authority of the bible and accountability towards god.
The non-christian frees himself from accountability towards higher authority in discarding the authority of the bible….
Discarding the authority of the bible makes knowledge of the bible useless….
 

bk.ru

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LG before even having a look at gay matters, it is necessary to determine the real argument between the christian and the non-christian.
The real argument does not even consist of whether god exist or not.
The basic argument for the non-christian concerns the authority of the bible and accountability towards god.
The non-christian frees himself from accountability towards higher authority in discarding the authority of the bible….
Discarding the authority of the bible makes knowledge of the bible useless….
http://i.thefairest.info/funniest_thumbs/gUqQWH.jpeg :D
 

ToxicBunny

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douwdouw : As I said in another place, religion removes accountability and responsibilty from people as that can just blame some higher power, and ask for forgiveness from another higher power.

There is not ONE argument between christian and non-christian and never has been. Shades of grey douwdouw, shades of grey....

And no, please think about your last statement, discarding the authority of the bible does NOT make knowledge of it useless. I can discard the authority of Quantum Mechanics, but knowledge of the subject is not useless if I do.
 

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Whilst having a laugh at yourselves.... Paul realised the danger of misleading people with theories and words...
I agree, theories should be treated as such.

That's why I'm not convinced yet on the 'Theory of God'. As with all theories, the Theory of God should be peer-reviewed and subjected to careful analysis. The problem we have at the moment with the Theory of God is that the only journals written on the Theory of God is buckling under this peer-review process.

Unlike other theories we have today (Theory of Evolution, Theory of Gravity, etc.) we today don't yet have any experimental proof for the Theory of God.
 

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I agree, theories should be treated as such.

That's why I'm not convinced yet on the 'Theory of God'. As with all theories, the Theory of God should be peer-reviewed and subjected to careful analysis. The problem we have at the moment with the Theory of God is that the only journals written on the Theory of God is buckling under this peer-review process.

Unlike other theories we have today (Theory of Evolution, Theory of Gravity, etc.) we today don't yet have any experimental proof for the Theory of God.
If as you say there is no experimental evidence then how can it be "buckling under this peer-review process?" There may be no evidence but there is certainly a theory of God. Haven't theories always come first? Followed long after by experimental evidence. Why then should this be any different? Do you think we know everything?
 

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douwdouw : You HAVE to blindly accept "god" please show me the tangible evidence that he exists.... since there is no such tangible evidence, then your accepting of his existence is blind.
One could argue that it's also impossible to prove the world exists at this moment? How do you know you're not part of a simulation for instance
or maybe a construct of someone else's mind? How do you know you even exist? What is your purpose for existance? Does your existance matter in any way?

It is theoretically possible, to sedate someone and provide direct sensory
input to their brain. In such a way we could make him think that he
is alive on Mars or that he is a rabbit or anything really, he could
be alive inside the World of Warcraft. Its really the same with dreams,
too. Can you really trust your own senses?

Heck whenever you watch a movie, play a game, listen to music
you enter another world, the world of the game or book and
for that time your reality becomes different to that what's going on
around you.

People who are mentally ill, specifically schisophrenics, believe
in strange things. They have delusions and halucinations
which seem very bizarre
to us and yet they cannot be convinced that these things do not
exist. They can see them or hear them and they believe.

Now I'm not saying that you shouldn't believe what is going around you
to be true but just because your senses are limited and can't for
example see into other dimensions (if those exist even) you
can't say that a creator does not exist. It's like a character in
WOW believing that there is nothing outside of his world, but
we know that's not true. He has no way of seeing outside the
shell which is the WOW simulation. He cannot hear you click your
mouse or see your face in the sky because he has no sensory
organs or instruments to detect a world outside of his. He
does not exist in the real world. In the same way Man
cannot exist in God's presence (in man's physical form).
If you're a character inside WOW there is no way that
you can prove that there is a world of 4 billion supercreatures,
and billions of other beings, with technology to create
infinite WOW's and control any aspect of WOW right
down to single bytes of the software. The character
has no point of reference. Hollywood
has used this concept in the movie Tron before :).

At best I think a person should be OPEN to the idea that things
which science cannot detect at this stage may exist. At the same time
we should also realise that we as man are limited in our senses,
our language and our thought processes. There are some concepts which
we cannot grasp or explain and there are others which
exist which we'll never know about. It's quite arrogant I think to believe
that we have discovered all the mysteries of this universe or that we ever will.

Looking at this differently, Agnostics will tell you that man has a psychological need
for a supercreator to be there to provide purpose for his life, to be there
as a 'leadership' figure or to be there to be a superjudge and right the
indjustices of this world in an afterlife. Even then, one can't avoid
but consider if that is true, why do we have these feelings. Were
they programmed inside us? Are they a reflection of our origins
which are shrouded in mystery? ... ? :)
 
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Mr TB

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I agree, theories should be treated as such.

That's why I'm not convinced yet on the 'Theory of God'. As with all theories, the Theory of God should be peer-reviewed and subjected to careful analysis. The problem we have at the moment with the Theory of God is that the only journals written on the Theory of God is buckling under this peer-review process.

Unlike other theories we have today (Theory of Evolution, Theory of Gravity, etc.) we today don't yet have any experimental proof for the Theory of God.
There is plenty mate, only in your view there are none.

You wish not to accept the evidence.
The same way you evidence of mutations is nonsense, it hardly presents an organism... so it is spreading half truths, lies in other words, no proof.

You missed the word that Paul use in Colossians 2v8, the word is philosophy, the philosophies of men, he has noticed the problem driving people from christ. Philosophies like darwinism,evolution,socialism,communisism, he already noticed the danger did he not...?
 
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PeterCH : I fully agree with you on some points (too tired to pick them out atm).... but I personally don't believe in "god" as the religious nuts thump it down our throats... and they do kind of get my heckles up when they then try poke holes in science, which in respect of being provable is alot more stable than religion.

douwdouw : no, please, there isn't any experimental proof for the Thoery of God, and has been stated NUMEROUS times, you cannot use the bible to prove the existence of god, its circular proof.
 

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PeterCH : I fully agree with you on some points (too tired to pick them out atm).... but I personally don't believe in "god" as the religious nuts thump it down our throats... and they do kind of get my heckles up when they then try poke holes in science, which in respect of being provable is alot more stable than religion.

douwdouw : no, please, there isn't any experimental proof for the Thoery of God, and has been stated NUMEROUS times, you cannot use the bible to prove the existence of god, its circular proof.
I

I have practical prove, not experiments that the big joke about it you see? The prove is in my own life which you of course will discard. The devil exist, so if the adversary exist why will the living god not exist. No, there is enough prove outside the bible also...You just don't want to acknowledge it...

You can acknowledge god like you say to PeterCH but your superior knowledge of christ... well i douvt it seriuosly...
 

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douwdouw : no, please, there isn't any experimental proof for the Thoery of God, and has been stated NUMEROUS times, you cannot use the bible to prove the existence of god, its circular proof.
Indeed, the mere fact that it is a book of events (literal or figurative ones depending on the view) recounted by men (way after the supposed event occured) damages it's credibility. Why? Because man by nature makes mistakes or takes it upon himself to manipulate the truth is his favour.
 

ToxicBunny

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douwdouw : learn to speak english, and learn how to debate and discuss a topic, it would make things ALOT easier..... I have never said the devil or god exists.... as far as I'm concerned, neither do. The bible is not proof of god, as it is "his" book... we are talking external, verifiable, repeatable experimental proof.

I somehow have a feeling I have a rather deeper understanding and knowledge of your religion than you do douwdouw...
 

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douwdouw : learn to speak english, and learn how to debate and discuss a topic, it would make things ALOT easier..... I have never said the devil or god exists.... as far as I'm concerned, neither do. The bible is not proof of god, as it is "his" book... we are talking external, verifiable, repeatable experimental proof.

I somehow have a feeling I have a rather deeper understanding and knowledge of your religion than you do douwdouw...
I don't know why you bother.

douwdouw is clearly one of those typical overzealous religous types who, when presented with an opportunity to debate/discuss differing points of view, likes nothing more than to put himself and his religion on a pedestal from which he points fingers and passes judgement on others (which funnily enough his own religion states he shouldn't do)
 
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Iwojima : Usually it provides insight of some small kind... just today.. its been very grating because it just dodges any valid questions.. or argues itself in circles...

Yeah i know their religion states lots of things that douwdouw quite clearly ignores as and when it suits.
 
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