More South Africans will likely quit their jobs and emigrate in the coming months: expert

[Nerfherder]

How are they just going to emigrate though? Many of us would love to go if given the chance but the lack of job offers make it difficult.

Quoted for truth...

The people who can pick up and go have done so.

The rest are either optimistic or forced to be.

 

[Superman-7]

High school teacher did this, he packed up his whole family and moved to Australia, 6 months later they were back.

Don't think this is a good bit of data to make any sort of argument from.

I know some do return - a certain percentage returning is almost expected.

Someone who comes back within 6 months however, either didn't leave for the 'right' reason, is not mature enough to make such a big decision or deal with the consequences in the first place, or had unforseen circumstances.

Again, risky to consider this 'suggests' anything.

 

[Jola]

Emigration figures are always difficult.

Personally, a lot of family and friends have left, and are still leaving. Nobody has ever returned.

I have heard of another family returning from Australia, apparently the wife missed her SA family, but I think it also had something to do with the husband being unable to retain seniority over in Oz. AFAIK it is very rare for people to return.

I had an Oz Permanent Residence Permit, but was unable to go as the wife (now ex) decided that she did not want to go after all, and I couldn't really go on my own because of the kids. We had already landed, and Australian Immigration regarded me as a Permanent Resident. But that expired a few years later.

Son has now left for Canada with his GF. I could in theory join them.

I regret not having gone to Oz, but it was out of my control.

As a result of all of this I now have a lot of family and friends in Australia and Canada. A few in the UK.

 

[Quey_Quick]

Hayibo what a plot twist .

I wonder what the reasons were for the return. Was it as simple as poor planning, or was it something deeper, like cultural shock, or missing family?

I dunno about poor planning but they claim it was because of culture shock and being too far from family...rumours from around the school was they couldn't get jobs ‍♂️

 

[koeks525]

I dunno about poor planning but they claim it was because of culture shock and being too far from family...rumours from around the school was they couldn't get jobs ‍♂️

Hehehe

 

[Scary_Turtle]

No I cannot. I comment on what I see daily from my daily job. 10 years ago I saw one a month now I see 3 a day.

In the area I work we had 15 people in 2019 through Covid we lost 4 people to immigration and one to Covid. After the riots 7 people have immigrated. In meetings with other departments everyone is struggling with with being short staffed and this is a big corporate with over 30000 people.

I think the stats over the next year will show a story and I was a SA lifer but I don't see a life in SA anymore.

 

[Quey_Quick]

In the area I work we had 15 people in 2019 through Covid we lost 4 people to immigration and one to Covid. After the riots 7 people have immigrated. In meetings with other departments everyone is struggling with with being short staffed and this is a big corporate with over 30000 people.

I think the stats over the next year will show a story and I was a SA lifer but I don't see a life in SA anymore.

Sounds like you work with me.

 

[Sinbad]

In the area I work we had 15 people in 2019 through Covid we lost 4 people to immigration and one to Covid. After the riots 7 people have immigrated. In meetings with other departments everyone is struggling with with being short staffed and this is a big corporate with over 30000 people.

I think the stats over the next year will show a story and I was a SA lifer but I don't see a life in SA anymore.

Company I used to work for is really battling. They've lost their chief cloud architect, several hotshot VMWare and MS people, solutions and infrastructure architects in the last year. Not finding the same calibre replacements - these are people with 15+ years of solid experience.

 

[JayM]

Quoted for truth...

The people who can pick up and go have done so.

The rest are either optimistic or forced to be.

Not entirely. Many are remaining here while the getting is good, but have contingency plans to get out in a hurry. Still decent money and a good life to be had here - just send it all offshore and have your backup plan ready to go for when the poo hits the fan.

What I'm seeing on FB emigration groups is those who aren't very well off leaving in droves as they can't buy their way into another country and put plans in motion over the past few years to get ancestral visas sorted etc.

 

[Jola]

Company I used to work for is really battling. They've lost their chief cloud architect, several hotshot VMWare and MS people, solutions and infrastructure architects in the last year. Not finding the same calibre replacements - these are people with 15+ years of solid experience.

Yep, those ignorant comments about emigration creating more opportunities for locals is just pure nonsense.

BTW, where are you now ?

 

[Ghost64]

The problem with people leaving and returning is that those that leave realise too late how lush they had it in SA.
Let’s face it, most of us are living first world lives in a 3rd world country. Governments around the world are a bunch of inept posers, Trumps, Bozo the Aussie guy etc...

 

[Jola]

The problem with people leaving and returning is that those that leave realise too late how lush they had it in SA.
Let’s face it, most of us are living first world lives in a 3rd world country. Governments around the world are a bunch of inept posers, Trumps, Bozo the Aussie guy etc...

How do you quantify the risk of death or serious injury in SA ?

A country where a flat tyre could cost your life !

Odds seem a lot better elsewhere ...

 

[JohnStarr]

Going to happen...government will be like this wondering where all the tax payers went:

 

[Sinbad]

Yep, those ignorant comments about emigration creating more opportunities for locals is just pure nonsense.

BTW, where are you now ?

UK...

 

[JohnStarr]

Let's hope they won't go bonkers and kill their kids afterwards...

F&ck dude that's insensitive. Really.

 

[Nerfherder]

Not entirely. Many are remaining here while the getting is good, but have contingency plans to get out in a hurry. Still decent money and a good life to be had here - just send it all offshore and have your backup plan ready to go for when the poo hits the fan.

What I'm seeing on FB emigration groups is those who aren't very well off leaving in droves as they can't buy their way into another country and put plans in motion over the past few years to get ancestral visas sorted etc.

Well that's what I mean.

I have the means but I'm not jumping just yet. Others don't and either have to sit it out or hope things get better.

 

[Jola]

Well that's what I mean.

I have the means but I'm not jumping just yet. Others don't and either have to sit it out or hope things get better.

Jeez, I have been waiting for things to get better since the Big Crocodile's failed and fuscked up Rubicon speech.

Things are never going to get better, the ANC are trying as hard as they can to fusck more things up.

 

[Ghost64]

How do you quantify the risk of death or serious injury in SA ?

A country where a flat tyre could cost your life !

Odds seem a lot better elsewhere ...

Can’t have it all can you.
Also o find it’s a real but also irrational fear embedded in some of the population.
We have safety measures to keep in check on a daily basis yes, however it shouldn’t control our lives.
I’ve only been personally robbed once in my life, that was in Spain and almost robbed in Morocco.
Not in SA. Awareness is everything but not all consuming.

 

[Sinbad]

Can’t have it all can you.
Also o find it’s a real but also irrational fear embedded in some of the population.
We have safety measures to keep in check on a daily basis yes, however it shouldn’t control our lives.
I’ve only been personally robbed once in my life, that was in Spain and almost robbed in Morocco.
Not in SA. Awareness is everything but not all consuming.

My opinion from my lived experience:
The level of stress people live under in SA is unbelievably high (unless you completely insulate yourself from everything that is going on). Constant awareness of your surroundings is draining. Constant worries about when the next Eskom fokop is going to be. Worries about the worsening water situation. News of corruption and lack of consequences. Worries about the economy. Worries about NHI, EWC, prescribed assets. It all adds up. I had no idea how bad it was until I spent 3 weeks out of it in 2019. It actually felt like a physical lightening of a load. That is what actually spurred my wife and I to investigate living elsewhere.

 

[seted]

In South Africa we suffer excessively from boiled frog syndrome. We normalise and rationalise violence and incompetence. The recent riots show how fragile our security truly is.

I hate that my home is a gilded cage of barbed wire and electric fences. All I want is to be able to walk down any random street without having to worry overly much about being murdered, robbed or raped.